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Learning From History - 4/17/2006 9:13:25 AM   
Mercnbeth


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There are those who say you can't learn from History. People will argue communism can be a viable society "under the right circumstances". Chamberlain placating Hitler would have worked if only the rest of Eastern Europe was ceded to Germany along with Czechoslovakia. That Iran wasn't just "joking" when they said they wouldn't use their developed nuclear weapons for a preemptive strike. Whoops!! That's 'future' history...
 
But anyway, I thought this interesting historical perspective would shed some purpose why studying history makes you more aware of how certain common phases came to be common. Enjoy...
 
Life in the 1500's
The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be. Here are some facts about the 1500s:

Most people got married in June because they took their yearly bath in May, and still smelled pretty good by June. However, they were starting to smell, so brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odor. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."
 
Houses had thatched roofs-thick straw-piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and off the roof. Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."
 
There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.
 
The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence the saying "dirt poor."
 
The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing. As the winter wore on, they added more thresh until when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entranceway. Hence the saying a "thresh hold."

(Getting quite an education, aren't you?)
 
In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme, "Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old."

Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over, they would hang up their bacon to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could "bring home the bacon."
 
They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around and "chew the fat."

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or "upper crust."

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whiskey. The combination would sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of holding a "wake."

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people. So they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a "bone-house" and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realized they had been burying people alive. So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the "graveyard shift") to listen for the bell; thus, someone could be "saved by the bell" or was considered a "dead ringer."

And that's the truth... Now, whoever said that you can't learn anything from History ? ? ! ! !
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RE: Learning From History - 4/17/2006 10:04:45 AM   
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Ah, the good old days.

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RE: Learning From History - 4/17/2006 12:54:22 PM   
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Dirt floors? Luxury, Oh what we wouldn't have given for a dirt floor........


fun stuff

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RE: Learning From History - 4/17/2006 1:11:51 PM   
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I like these good ol days threads, when I was growing up I was the only kid in my family with shoes... one size 9 and one size 11 and both for the same foot.

LOL,
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RE: Learning From History - 4/17/2006 3:34:44 PM   
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But obviously as long as the woman was submissive to the men then everything was right because things were better in the past and people were happy with their place...

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RE: Learning From History - 4/17/2006 3:54:52 PM   
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Well it's cute and thought provoking, but snopes.com calls it an online urban legend and debunks and/ or disagrees with most of the statements in it (with pretty good argument).

http://www.snopes.com/language/phrases/1500.htm



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RE: Learning From History - 4/17/2006 4:05:39 PM   
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Miz Suz,
A sincere thanks for the link! It was a cute email and non-threatening. Since it wasn't asking anyone to boycott Proctor & Gamble, and it didn't promise $3,546 and a trip to Disney for sending soda pull tabs to Microsoft I didn't see the need to validate it.

Sorry to anyone who used it as a word or saying origin term paper.

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RE: Learning From History - 4/17/2006 4:35:52 PM   
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Well, urban hooey or not, I still say you should read it at the State of the Union speech when you get elected LOL.
 
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RE: Learning From History - 4/17/2006 4:42:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Miz Suz,
A sincere thanks for the link! It was a cute email and non-threatening. Since it wasn't asking anyone to boycott Proctor & Gamble, and it didn't promise $3,546 and a trip to Disney for sending soda pull tabs to Microsoft I didn't see the need to validate it.

Sorry to anyone who used it as a word or saying origin term paper.


HA!  It was cute, and I haven't seen it before so kudos to you for sharing it.  I do have a small personal hobby to debunk the myths, but it's just a hobby.  No harm no foul.  Besides, there's some interesting factoids on the snopes page about it, too (and on the buried alive page that links from it).

I'm just avoiding doing my taxes.

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RE: Learning From History - 4/17/2006 4:46:08 PM   
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Can I have less responsibility and more snowboarding?

Say, State Mascot of Alaska?

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RE: Learning From History - 4/17/2006 8:48:24 PM   
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Snopes or no, it was cute...but they left out the most important historical 'fact'....

" And they were all much shorter in those days..."





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