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FirmhandKY -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/19/2006 8:47:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver I'm a genius. I don't know about the rest of you. I was told that genius was rightfully pronounced "gee-an-ass". [:)] [joke, dammit. See the smile?] FHky

ICGsteve -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/19/2006 9:53:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: feastie While a correlation between intelligence and BDSM might have been drawn at one time, I don't believe that it can be now. Why not? Because it's no longer hidden in the shadows, if you will. Due to the internet, mostly, access to information about BDSM is exceedingly available, whereas, it was extremely limited before everyone was "online". It's also become "cool". Trendy. This sounds right to me. However, there is a serious question as to the quality of BDSM that all of these people practice. They are in because it is cool, trendy, edgy, but are they using the kink to learn about who they are? Do they have any knowledge at any depth about what they are doing and why people react to pain and domination that way that they do? Do these people have any loyalty to the community and the long practiced values of the community? Can they be trusted to not be dangerous and not do anything stupid? ANybody who is not here because they have a deep seeded need to explore the kink is a liability, is not a person I want to meet, is not a person that I want to feel welcomed into the BDSM community. I think that the historical data on education level of BDSM kinksters represents those who are natural drawn to the kink and who get a lot out of it. This indicates that the more highly educated a person is the more they are drawn to it. I think that current data would show the same thing, but to a less extent because the numbers are watered dawn by a great many people who call themselves BDSM people today but who are just passing through for kicks. Thankfully, they will be gone as soon as the next cool thing comes along, or when society gets allarmed by the large numbers in BDSM and moves to criminalize it.

meatcleaver -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 12:11:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver I'm a genius. I don't know about the rest of you. I was told that genius was rightfully pronounced "gee-an-ass". [:)] [joke, dammit. See the smile?] FHky I'm a genius and I have a nice ass too or so I'm told.[:)]

Vendaval -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 12:30:47 AM)
You raise a very good point windchymes. I know so many of the spoiled college kids around here who would never be able to survive in the situations that I did. And I know quite a few people with street smarts, Myself included, who do very well in higher education. YMMV, Vendaval quote: ORIGINAL: windchymes Which brings up another subject of judging "intelligence" by IQ scores. Some take tests well and score high, but have no common sense or "street smarts" whatsoever. Others may have a mediocre IQ score, but actually are very quick and bright thinkers and doers. What makes one "intelligent"? A test score, or how they function in mainstream society?

Vendaval -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 12:48:26 AM)
One aspect I have noticed in meeting Lifestyle people is that the majority of Male Dominants are either engineers or computer geeks. (To such an extent that it is a standing joke among kinksters!) And the majority of Fem Dommes are either: 1 medical profession 2 psychological profession or 3 artist/performer. This is based on personal experience, the professional lives of people in either the San Francisco Bay Area or Los Angeles are not necessarily representational of other areas and locations. Thanks for bringing up this discussion ScooterTrash. Regards, Vendaval

ExistentialSteel -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 1:32:08 AM)
Sure IQ means a lot. Those with higher IQ’s can learn faster. You can break it down and say aptitude is also important, but those with higher IQ’s will generally gain knowledge faster. However, while a message board will give credit to the intelligent, it doesn’t always account for the charisma a person may have in real life that can help greatly in social situations. Humor, friendliness, stability, physical appearance (ahhh, Pandora’s Box from the other thread), loyalty to someone or something and other factors can make someone a desired leader in many situations.

meatcleaver -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 1:41:51 AM)
My younger brother is not the brightest star in the sky and left school with nothing but he can smell a dollar under a pile of shit from a mile away and he knows how to get it without getting his hands dirty. On top of that, he'll probably sell the shit for two dollars. When it comes to math, it is fair to say he is a retard, unless there is a dollar sign in the equation, then he can give a particle physicist a run for his money. Intelligence shows itself in many ways and academic brilliance and a bright career working in SOMEONE ELSES organisation is not the only way it shows itself. The rut is also very successful with women but I can't work that one out.

bignipples2share -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 1:56:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy Mensa members used to have a D/s subgroup called Brains & Chains, but I think it is now defunct. The message board had a running thread concerning the correlation between intelligence and D/s. As best as could be told, D/s was the second favorite kink for intellectuals, the first being anthropomorphs. okay, I'm just shocked..all this time I thought it was string theory LOL

Dustyn -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 2:48:08 AM)
I see a lot of room for error in a lot of these points, but then again, there will probably be some in mine as well, so what the hell, right? 1.) A forum should never be used as a guage of intelligence/wisdom in any subsect of society, regardless of what it is. It is entirely too easy to just look something up, write down the bright points of anything, then mesh it all together on a post. In a way, it's along the lines of "monkey see, monkey do," I suppose. 2.) I.Q. tests aren't really all that reliable, but then again, neither are street smarts. It's all in how you use what's in your head in the given situation. I know people that are as sharp as a whipcrack, as my grandma used to say, and some people that could survive on the streets better than an alley cat. Doesn't mean much if they find themselves in situations that they can't handle. Stress, and how one reacts to it, is a better guage than either types of learning. But that's just my opinion. 3.) I just wanted to type in 3.) =P Take me, for example. I grew up in central Phoenix as a kid, but was pushed in my academics by my folks. I'm not a Rhode's Scholar or anything, but I'm no slouch either. I know were to look for tags and what not, plus most of the indicators of who's running with what crew. Big deal. If I'm stressed out about something, I could easily forget to carry the 2 when adding up a column of numbers or overlook a tag. It's all in how one reacts to the environment that they are in as to whether they are smart or stupid. Knowing what to do and not do doesn't mean you will be able to utilize that knowledge when confronted with something that rattles you, but would still require what's locked up in your head. Just my take on the whole thing. - Dustyn putting on asbestos pants, just in case

cloudboy -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 3:13:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam I had a submissive for a number of years (we are still friends) who is a social psychologist. It's his professional opinion that more intelligent people are more apt to be open-minded and thus will more readily experiment with and embrace alternate sexualities and relationship dynamics. This isn't saying that all intelligent people are kiny or all kinky people are intelligent, just that there seems to be a decent overlap. I've tried to convince him on a number of occassions to study the BDSM/Leather society, but he seems to think his current area is interesting enough. Geeze! "Come on!" I'd say, "Think of it. Funding to go to any and every Leather event there is!" Nope, he won't budge. Silly man (tongue in cheek). Oh, and yes, he has a Mensa IQ. Fire I would agree with your social psychologist friend that, "more intelligent people are more apt to be open-minded and thus will more readily experiment with and embrace alternate sexualities and relationship dynamics."

meatcleaver -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 3:28:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cloudboy I would agree with your social psychologist friend that, "more intelligent people are more apt to be open-minded and thus will more readily experiment with and embrace alternate sexualities and relationship dynamics." The amount of intellectuals that have supported or justified fascism and other crack pot socio-political ideas and justified illegal and misguided wars, makes one question intelligence and how open intelligent people really are! Hmm Maybe I should be replying to the MENSA chains and brains post. Just to add. If open mindedness can lead one into BDSM, that indicates kink is not an inherent part of someone's make up. Though I guess we all realize that BDSM is also a fashion thing to some people and necessary kink to others.

SirLordTrainer -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 3:33:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists I wouldn't equate intelligence as a parameter for being active in the lifestyle at all. It has been my experience that the intelligence level of the BDSM community is no better or worse than the general poplulation. I would however, state that it has been my experience that individuals who persist to enhance and grow their own personal lifestyle choices are passionate individuals to this lifestyle. I would have to agree with you Knight, in My 7 years of active participation with local munchs and other fetish events Ive seen more than My share of ignorance in and outside of the D/s community. But to the OP I would say we are at least more adept in the sensual arts as we certainly have much more to explore.

JohnWarren -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 5:46:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ICGsteve This sounds right to me. However, there is a serious question as to the quality of BDSM that all of these people practice. They are in because it is cool, trendy, edgy, but are they using the kink to learn about who they are? Do they have any knowledge at any depth about what they are doing and why people react to pain and domination that way that they do? Do these people have any loyalty to the community and the long practiced values of the community? Can they be trusted to not be dangerous and not do anything stupid? ANybody who is not here because they have a deep seeded need to explore the kink is a liability, is not a person I want to meet, is not a person that I want to feel welcomed into the BDSM community. I find this odd since, as someone who has been involved with BDSM for over 40 years, I've seen things improve enormously. Back in the old days, we did things that should have been seen to be clearly dangerous both out of ignorance and from a lack of a community that could enunciate a kind of code of behavior. For example, safe words are a fairly recent invention. I never heard of such things until the 80's. It's trendy to remember a "good old days," particularly among those who weren't there.

Vendaval -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 9:42:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver My younger brother is not the brightest star in the sky and left school with nothing but he can smell a dollar under a pile of shit from a mile away and he knows how to get it without getting his hands dirty. On top of that, he'll probably sell the shit for two dollars. He is clever and observant, street smart. When it comes to math, it is fair to say he is a retard, unless there is a dollar sign in the equation, then he can give a particle physicist a run for his money. Right, he has to have the interest and personal motivation. Intelligence shows itself in many ways and academic brilliance and a bright career working in SOMEONE ELSES organisation is not the only way it shows itself. Sounds like he is a fan of the free enterprise system. The rut is also very successful with women but I can't work that one out. He's got game, mack, charisma, whatever you want to call it. Overall I would say he is the Trickster archetype, called Coyote in Native American tradition and Loki in Norse tradition. I know a few that fit that archetype, and they can be a handfull with their various mishaps and misadventures. But it is quite entertaining to watch them try to fast talk themselves out of trouble. [;)] Regards, -Vendaval-

AAkasha -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 9:51:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnWarren quote: ORIGINAL: ICGsteve This sounds right to me. However, there is a serious question as to the quality of BDSM that all of these people practice. They are in because it is cool, trendy, edgy, but are they using the kink to learn about who they are? Do they have any knowledge at any depth about what they are doing and why people react to pain and domination that way that they do? Do these people have any loyalty to the community and the long practiced values of the community? Can they be trusted to not be dangerous and not do anything stupid? ANybody who is not here because they have a deep seeded need to explore the kink is a liability, is not a person I want to meet, is not a person that I want to feel welcomed into the BDSM community. I find this odd since, as someone who has been involved with BDSM for over 40 years, I've seen things improve enormously. Back in the old days, we did things that should have been seen to be clearly dangerous both out of ignorance and from a lack of a community that could enunciate a kind of code of behavior. For example, safe words are a fairly recent invention. I never heard of such things until the 80's. It's trendy to remember a "good old days," particularly among those who weren't there. Now come on...just because no one "coined the phrase" for safewords doesn't mean they did not exist. Wouldn't it be safe to say that 200 years ago couples experimenting with a little rough play decided on a code of some sort to identify real danger vs. make believe "please stop! you're hurting me!" I believe that's more common sense than anything. I used safewords when I was younger before I read about what they were. I used to like to play "make believe kidnapping" with my boyfriend and wanted him to struggle and order me to let him go. One or both people will eventually come to the logical conclusion that there has to be a way to differentiate between "let me go" and "I MEAN IT! LET ME GO!" -- safewords have existed as long as roleplaying sexually has. Akasha

MsIncognito -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 11:20:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Vendaval One aspect I have noticed in meeting Lifestyle people is that the majority of Male Dominants are either engineers or computer geeks. (To such an extent that it is a standing joke among kinksters!) And the majority of Fem Dommes are either: 1 medical profession 2 psychological profession or 3 artist/performer. This is based on personal experience, the professional lives of people in either the San Francisco Bay Area or Los Angeles are not necessarily representational of other areas and locations. Don't you think you're more likely to meet computer geeks in that area regardless? I've noticed a rather large chasm between perceived intelligence of folks online vs those I meet in the community. I find there are many people online who are articulate and ostensibly intelligent. In real life, the scene around here tends to be populated with folks I would say are on low end of average as far as intelligence goes. At least the ones who stay in the scene seem to be - of course that's just my perception based on what type of intelligence I value.

ownedgirlie -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 11:55:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: feastie quote: ORIGINAL: MsMacComb Lack of creativity in everyday life usually equates a lack of creativity in the sexual life. Does someone have to have a high "IQ" in order to be kinky, no. But I've never seen a "stupid" person involved in BD/SM either. Then I know some people you should meet. LOL love this.

ICGsteve -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 12:37:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnWarren I find this odd since, as someone who has been involved with BDSM for over 40 years, I've seen things improve enormously. Back in the old days, we did things that should have been seen to be clearly dangerous both out of ignorance and from a lack of a community that could enunciate a kind of code of behavior. For example, safe words are a fairly recent invention. I never heard of such things until the 80's. It's trendy to remember a "good old days," particularly among those who weren't there. You need to remember your vantage point. As the community has expanded rapidly there has been a multiplication is the number of events, and they have become stratified in quality. The good organizations, organizers and contacts indeed put together better events than you would ever have found 30 years ago, but the majority of the people are not at those events. They are at poor quality events or at none at all doing this stuff on their own. This is not unlike the American medical system, where the best of the best is better than you will find anywhere else in the world and is much better than it was thirty years ago, but taken over-all the American medical system is near collapse ( some lately are calling it in full collapse) and is one of the worst in the industrialized world. Yet we still get those who have access to the best, who have benefited from it trying to tell the rest of us how good the American system is. They are wrong, and just about everyone knows it but them.

ExistentialSteel -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 12:39:32 PM)
One more point. Mensa tests are ridiculously easy. Try it, if you think I'm joking. They want you to think you are a genius and pay money to them. A neat psychological trick to get your money, huh?

ExistentialSteel -> RE: Intelligence levels in S/M & BDSM (4/20/2006 12:44:29 PM)
So if John Warren also thinks the American medical system sucks, then his point wins?

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