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How far should a slave go? - 7/22/2010 10:06:41 PM

slaveOFdarkness

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Hello,

i'd like to ask the opinion of the dominant Women that read this and perhaps start a conversation about what it really means to be a slave and when to feed the hunger a true slave has to serve and when to think.

i recently reconnected with a Domme online - a few years ago we had a non-start [emails, chats etc] this time it progressed to intense emails and many phone conversations. We have a very similar ideals on slavery, mind control and what it means to serve. In addition She has always made a point that any slave serving her will be bi trained as that is what she desires. As an individual she can be tender, even warm - is incredibly intelligent, witty, ambitious and sensual all at the same time. Just in communicating with her i can feel like i'm being drawn in like the moth to flame. By request i've sent pics but have as yet received any [been told they are forthcoming]. And to answer what many of you may be thinking yes i believe she is a biological Woman.

The Domme stated that to be considered by her i would first need to be interviewed and "trained" by a Master before ever meeting her. The Master would report to her how i preformed [how i take direction, submissiveness, including servicing the Master orally [with protection] and him using me if he so desires]. my desire to be a slave is overwhelming at times and i can see serving and servicing a male for the Domme that owns me but not doing it before even meeting that potential woman. Of course Something so potentially unsafe with someone i've yet to meet has sent a major red flag up for me. i've attempted to discuss this but been told there is no discussion or negotiation in this area - as it shows her a true desire to serve from a true slave. i've been in the lifestyle for several years and the more i think about it even though i desire to one day become an unconditional slave [i never told her that] doing this seems more like a decision that wouldn't be a step onto the path of slavery but a prescription in disaster.

Your thoughts?

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/22/2010 10:12:32 PM

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umm.. why would she need a Master to train you? my concern would be this "Mistress" may be a man instead, since you have stated you have not recieved any pictures of her.

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/22/2010 10:18:43 PM

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A slave should go all the way to "NEXT"!

You cannot meet her, haven't seen a picture and you must let a man use you before you can meet her... It's a HIM! You will never meet her because he is her.

Any chance to protect yourself is not allowed in discussion. You owe it to yourself to protect yourself and any dominant worth a damn would assure that. RUN for the EXIT and don't look back.

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/22/2010 10:23:21 PM

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This isn't something that I would typically do. While I have absolutely had help in specific areas of service along the way, I wouldn't send anyone to be trained by someone else for the purpose of them serving Me later. I also don't turn people over that I own to be sexually used without Me being present. (It's one of My quirks.)

Here are the questions that I would be asking:

How does she know the Master in question?

What references does he have in the local community?

What areas does he specifically train in? (Protocol, leather, etc.)

Is he willing to prove that he is disease free?

I'd be asking the same things in regard to the woman you are dealing with.

To answer the question you didn't ask. Yes, I'd be suspicious.

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 1:08:38 AM

SaintAllie

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveOFdarkness

Hello,
this time it progressed to intense emails and many phone conversations. We have a very similar ideals on slavery, mind control and what it means to serve. In addition She has always made a point that any slave serving her will be bi trained as that is what she desires. As an individual she can be tender, even warm - is incredibly intelligent, witty, ambitious and sensual all at the same time. Just in communicating with her i can feel like i'm being drawn in like the moth to flame. By request i've sent pics but have as yet received any [been told they are forthcoming]. And to answer what many of you may be thinking yes i believe she is a biological Woman.

The Domme stated that to be considered by her i would first need to be interviewed and "trained" by a Master before ever meeting her. The Master would report to her how i preformed [how i take direction, submissiveness, including servicing the Master orally [with protection] and him using me if he so desires].

My thoughts are formulating...,

She's 'tender, warm, is incredibly intelligent, witty, ambitious and sensual all at the same time. Just in communicating with her I can feel like I'm being drawn in like the moth to flame'.

Is this all on the phone?.. she won't meet you, without you meeting a Master and acceding to her conditions.

If she has suggested you need to be trained by a Master before meeting her. Was there a reason for this, or had you stated an interest in serving a Master? Is she providing the Master for you?.. or do you have to find one yourself?

Your profile basically says you will serve anyone that says they are a Domme. There is no personality or intellect required on behalf of the Domme as far as I can ascertain. Are you certain you want slavery? Your questioning of the situation sounds more like you have agreed on a forced bi scenario to me.

no pictures and yet you have exchanged phone numbers? not met and no photos exchanged?

in my mind you have progressed a lot further than most.

my thoughts are..

don't sell your house, move states/countries or move in with her yet.

IF this doesn't feel right to you..listen to your brain.

Allie

< Message edited by SaintAllie -- 7/23/2010 1:11:48 AM >

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 2:43:15 AM

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There are several things wrong with the scenario as presented.

1. You're asking the level of commitment that a slave should have. You're not a slave - you're an applicant, a prospective.
2. I have had submissives that had issues with some of the ways I wanted them to serve me. So I sat down with them and found out what was behind their resistance and actively worked with them to overcome it.
3. "There is no discussion" - about a hard limit, with someone she's never even met? No way should you consider someone this non-empathic. If she's legit (not much chance), what's she going to be like once you HAVE made a commitment towards her? Right now, she's being as caring toward you as she'll get.
4. I assume that this woman is either a man who can fake a female voice, ot a man who has a submissive presenting herself as a Domme. The lack of pics make me think the former.

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 4:09:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

There are several things wrong with the scenario as presented.

1. You're asking the level of commitment that a slave should have. You're not a slave - you're an applicant, a prospective.
2. I have had submissives that had issues with some of the ways I wanted them to serve me. So I sat down with them and found out what was behind their resistance and actively worked with them to overcome it.
3. "There is no discussion" - about a hard limit, with someone she's never even met? No way should you consider someone this non-empathic. If she's legit (not much chance), what's she going to be like once you HAVE made a commitment towards her? Right now, she's being as caring toward you as she'll get.
4. I assume that this woman is either a man who can fake a female voice, ot a man who has a submissive presenting herself as a Domme. The lack of pics make me think the former.

( assuming you used fast reply to me DarkSteven in your reply)

I agree with you.

Allie

< Message edited by SaintAllie -- 7/23/2010 4:12:46 AM >

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 4:23:40 AM

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quote:

Your thoughts?

Have you actually met this women?

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 5:45:49 AM

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RUN DONT WALK TO THE NEAREST EXIT...

When Pact, Allie and Lockit.. (all women who are very experienced in rt and whose reputation are well known on this board) are like this smells like a rat.. enough said

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 5:56:27 AM

LadyConstanze

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Fast Reply:

Something doesn't sound right, listen to your gut feeling...

Reminds me of a "woman" who wanted me to look after her "slave" and train him while she is away, blah blah. You know she had quite specific rules about I must "use" him to service me sexually (big no no for me anyway, it would feel like borrowing somebody elses sex toy, a bit ewwww). I guess you can imagine how the story went, "she" was the guy...

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 6:00:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: thishereboi

quote:

Your thoughts?

Have you actually met this women?

Nope. Becoming a playtoy/fucktoy for the "Master" (no legit Master would be used like this) is the prerequisite to meeting her at all.

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 9:46:36 AM

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slaveOFdarkness,

quote:

...this seems more like a decision that wouldn't be a step onto the path of slavery but a prescription in disaster.

Your gut feeling is correct. There are a number of significant, warning signals in what you've described. I've ignored signals like this and every time the result was a complete disaster. Mind you, I've never had someone try to pimp me out before we can meet, but the refusal to discuss concerns, absolute "do this or forget it" methodology, and request for something inappropriate given the phase of "getting to know you" that you're currently at are manipulations I've experienced before. Don't buy into lines like "you must do this to show you're worthy" and "if you're a true slave, you'll do this; any true slave would do this without question". This isn't dominance. These are the ploys of someone conning you, of someone inexperienced, or of someone incapable of being a responsible, trustworthy dominant. LadyPact, DarkSteven, tazzygirl, Lockit, SaintAllie, thishereboi, and LadyConstanze all gave great feedback. I'll add my vote for the following: run, don't walk, to the nearest exit. You don't need to explain yourself. In fact, explaining yourself simply allows tricksters of this sort to lure you in with another, convincing yarn. Cease communication and block this user.

Elan.

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 11:10:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

I guess you can imagine how the story went, "she" was the guy...

No I wasn't. Um, I mean, no she wasn't. Um...I mean.....

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 12:21:12 PM

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The answer here is very simple....RUN LIKE THE WIND...

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 1:34:48 PM

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oh fantasy, how convoluted dost thou make our reality.

the problem is that you're questioning if the 'maximum' you should go might come before the perceived finish.

you should instead be asking why "they/she/he/it" has yet to place so much as even one of their own two feet past the starting line; let alone tread on the 'minimum' a person should come.

there's a voice on the phone cheering you on, but even if you actually stepped onto the track; you're still the only one on the field.

wasn't it obvious that you're running this marathon alone? -or did you let the fantasy of slavery allow you to believe that wank fodder is an ideal way to approach a "real" relationship?

either or, the furthest you should have gone with this was a checkpoint you passed well before making your way onto the forums.

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 2:00:15 PM

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Has she trained you to give her your credit card number yet?

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/23/2010 2:08:00 PM

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...cause ya'know we could do a few practice sessions you and me...I mean...I need a few things...

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/24/2010 2:57:03 AM

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Not only would a responsible Domme worthy of serving NOT act like this ... any Master worth His salt wouldn't do it either! So it's a big NO on both sides of the equation, and I really have a suspicion that She would actually be He, the so-called Master.

A potential slave's first responsibility is to take care of him or herself, and to follow this direction would fly in the face of this. Sorry OP, I resonate with the hunger you feel inside to serve, and how that desperate hunger can drive you to do things you wouldn't ordinarily, but truly, I don't think this is the right diner to eat at! EXIT is the sign!

Hope you connect with someone far more responsible soon.

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/24/2010 8:01:06 AM

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the minute I read this I thought... "its a man" ... my first instincts aren't always right.. but I do try to trust them...

I wouldn't want anyone 'first' trained by anyone else.. if I thought I might engage with someone.. and create any kind of relationship then I would engage with them, not someone else...

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RE: How far should a slave go? - 7/24/2010 10:29:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveOFdarkness
And to answer what many of you may be thinking yes i believe she is a biological Woman.

Uh....on what basis do you believe that? Personally, my think is that there is no woman involved here, just a dude whose kink is to get blowjobs from a straight but submissive guy who's dumb enough to get suckered in (no pun intended) by this scenario.

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