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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 9:24:36 AM   
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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 9:27:39 AM   
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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 9:32:15 AM   
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Well, wouldn't it help him to stay in touch with the "common man?" Well, John Kerry traded in the "Scaramouche" for a much bigger and more expensive boat,...er, Yacht build in Australia.
And at 76' you'd need a crew of six to crew this boat, Capt, First Mate, Engineer, Cook, Hostess/Server, Deck Hand.
Oh, and then there's a small matter of "taxes" as the article explains.

http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/20100723senator_skipper_skips_town_on_sails_tax/srvc=home&position=1



I'm not sure the depth of a man's pocket should serve as a prerequisite to electoral suitability. If you want to address this issue in the manner you have it seems necessary to ask a concurrent question. Would a poor man have trouble understanding a wealthier man's issues? Many of the founding fathers were very wealthy for their day, in fact they risked more individually, for the good of all Americans, than most of us can appreciate.

So it seems that again that the weight of a man's character holds greater measure than the width of his wallet. Considering the man in question in this OP, perhaps it's the ability of the common man's eye to witness and judge good character that should be in question. I mean it seems certain enough to me that we cannot continue to mandate and regulate the idiot proof factor into society and still call ourselves free men.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 9:50:56 AM   
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I agree, but hypocisy  is the stock and trade of politics.



Just noticed a big spelling error in my post. I am off to write " hypocrisy " 1000 times on ruled paper with a #2 pencil. Cursive, of course !

On a serious note, Yes, hypocrisy to some extent is the way of politics, hell its the way of we humans to a degree.

When it is a blatent and as waved off with a snide release that  " my wife is majority stock holder and lives in Pa and I've done nothing illegal " < paraphrase> it bites my butt. He is so fucking " greater than thou" he doesn't even see the real issue.
No one claimed it was illegal, everyone knows Mrs. Ketchup lives in Pa, and who gives a rats ass who has the majority share. It's his boat, no matter what portion of the boat is his, her portion can't be docked in Pa, as their is no ocean < duh ! >

Ohhh and just for the record, Mr. Kerry's summer home is in Nantucket, Ma. That's about 65 miles from Newport, RI. A short, lovley cruise away from his one of his " homes" Where do you think that boat is going to be docked a good part of the year ? In the place he doesn't want to pay taxes on it !  His own home state.

I will admit I am thoroughly enjoying watching him squirm when approached by the local media, and national for that matter. He reminds me of Thurston Howell III, an arrogant, pompous bafoon.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 9:57:52 AM   
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Well, wouldn't it help him to stay in touch with the "common man?" Well, John Kerry traded in the "Scaramouche" for a much bigger and more expensive boat,...er, Yacht build in Australia.
And at 76' you'd need a crew of six to crew this boat, Capt, First Mate, Engineer, Cook, Hostess/Server, Deck Hand.
Oh, and then there's a small matter of "taxes" as the article explains.

http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/20100723senator_skipper_skips_town_on_sails_tax/srvc=home&position=1



I'm not sure the depth of a man's pocket should serve as a prerequisite to electoral suitability. If you want to address this issue in the manner you have it seems necessary to ask a concurrent question. Would a poor man have trouble understanding a wealthier man's issues? Many of the founding fathers were very wealthy for their day, in fact they risked more individually, for the good of all Americans, than most of us can appreciate.

So it seems that again that the weight of a man's character holds greater measure than the width of his wallet.


Then you have to understand how unlikely it is for a poor man to be elected to office.

Yes it happens, but the reality is wealth buys power which allows for more wealth.

We have been fed a myth of how anyone can become President, or Congressman, or Senator.

It takes money to do so and those who were not already wealthy were politically astute enough to use other people's money.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 10:13:56 AM   
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So it seems that again that the weight of a man's character holds greater measure than the width of his wallet.


Bull:
I have no issues whatsoever with anyone being wealthy. I applaud them. Some earn it, some inherit it, some marry into it. It still takes some doing to maintain or increase it. And it is their money and their money to do as they se fit with it, not what the government sees fit for them to do with it.
The problem for me, with Mr. Kerry is he wants to build the playground, make the playground rules and hang out in the playground, But not play by the playground rules.

The sentence I quoted you on, sums it up perfectly.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 10:41:43 AM   
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I will admit I am thoroughly enjoying watching him squirm when approached by the local media, and national for that matter. He reminds me of Thurston Howell III, an arrogant, pompous bafoon.




He sure does! lol

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 10:46:28 AM   
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I have no issues whatsoever with anyone being wealthy. I applaud them. Some earn it, some inherit it, some marry into it. It still takes some doing to maintain or increase it.


What "doing" does it take?

Money makes money on its own.



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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 11:04:04 AM   
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I have no issues whatsoever with anyone being wealthy. I applaud them. Some earn it, some inherit it, some marry into it. It still takes some doing to maintain or increase it.


What "doing" does it take?

Money makes money on its own.



It takes fiduciary responsibility, rml.

Have you not heard of professional athletes who made millions in their sports career, only to wind up shit broke a few years after retirement ? or during their career, for that matter.

Have you not heard of people winning the lottery and being flat broke in a few years ?

Have you heard of Marvin Gaye ? Who lived in a bread van after making millions and loosing it ?

And of course the obvious one is : Michael Jackson, who lived the end of his life in debt.

There are thousands of stories of people who lost there fortunes, whether it be from bad investments, drugs and alcohol, irresponsible lifestyles or what have you.

It's pretty naive to think just cuz you have a sum of money that it is going to grow offspring money on it's own. If that theory were correct, even the poorest of us would eventually be comfortable.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 11:07:22 AM   
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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 11:11:58 AM   
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I have no issues whatsoever with anyone being wealthy. I applaud them. Some earn it, some inherit it, some marry into it. It still takes some doing to maintain or increase it.


What "doing" does it take?

Money makes money on its own.



It takes fiduciary responsibility, rml.

Have you not heard of professional athletes who made millions in their sports career, only to wind up shit broke a few years after retirement ? or during their career, for that matter.

Have you not heard of people winning the lottery and being flat broke in a few years ?

Have you heard of Marvin Gaye ? Who lived in a bread van after making millions and loosing it ?

And of course the obvious one is : Michael Jackson, who lived the end of his life in debt.

There are thousands of stories of people who lost there fortunes, whether it be from bad investments, drugs and alcohol, irresponsible lifestyles or what have you.

It's pretty naive to think just cuz you have a sum of money that it is going to grow offspring money on it's own. If that theory were correct, even the poorest of us would eventually be comfortable.

                       mbmbn


Fiduciary responsibility?

An elaborate way of saying common sense.

Yes there are many who piss their money away.

But stupidity doesn't alter the fact that those with money can live comfortably by letting that money work for them.



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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 11:36:42 AM   
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Fiduciary responsibility?
An elaborate way of saying common sense.

Yes there are many who piss their money away.

But stupidity doesn't alter the fact that those with money can live comfortably by letting that money work for them.



Correct !!!

Debunking your previous statement that money makes it's own money.

And the money doesn't work without responsible handling from said earner of the money. So, no... it does not make it's own money. It has the potential to, but it is not always so.

Sounds to me as if we agree. Big money can be lost in a flash of an eye.. if not for proper handing of the money. thereby answering your first question : What doing does it take.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 12:14:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Fiduciary responsibility?
An elaborate way of saying common sense.

Yes there are many who piss their money away.

But stupidity doesn't alter the fact that those with money can live comfortably by letting that money work for them.



Correct !!!

Debunking your previous statement that money makes it's own money.

And the money doesn't work without responsible handling from said earner of the money. So, no... it does not make it's own money. It has the potential to, but it is not always so.

Sounds to me as if we agree. Big money can be lost in a flash of an eye.. if not for proper handing of the money. thereby answering your first question : What doing does it take.

             mbmbn


No we don't agree.

Even with the anemic interest rates these days that money can be stuck in a bank and earn more money with absolutely no effort on the part of the person owning the money.

Unless you think driving to the bank and opening an account constitutes "fiduciary responsibility".



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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 1:07:40 PM   
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First of all Popeye, when you took about wealth, you must specify if we are talking about "new money" or "old money" big difference here.

Next, there are people that obtain great sums of money through birth or inheritances {Paris Hilton}, those that marry into money {John Kerry} and some even earn it themselves {Bill Gates, Oprah, etc.}.

I don't care if the politician has a 7 million yacht or a 50 million lear jet, as long as he did not obtain it from special interest groups, bribes, payoffs, voting incentives or any possible form of bribe, or taxpayer money.

We have more and more people going into politics that are millionaires and billionaires ALREADY, so what do I expect them to own?
A worn out dingy?

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 1:22:56 PM   
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LOL, popeye. Maybe I will bring him a straw hat, next time I visit Nantucket !

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If I remember correctly his "Nantucket Diggs" are not too far from the Coast Guard Station on Brandt Point.
One of the times that we pulled in there when I was on the Cutter Cape Morgan out of S. Portland Maine a guy from the Nantucket Yacht Club came over and invited us over to the bar for a drink. We had about three drinks and the guys came over and said it was "time to go."
They sat us at a table away from the bar and none of the people there talked to us, they just stared at us from over at the bar. It was all very strange.
The X.O. said that there was probably a couple billion dollars sitting at that bar. Those people wearn't "wealthy" they were "rich." I don't think they'd want a mere senator in their club. Makes you wonder what they talk about at the bar when noone else is around.
Rich people are differant than you and me!

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 1:28:20 PM   
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John "Live-Shot" Kerry has announced that he is "reaching out" to the Dept of Renenue of Massachusetts and paying the tax due on his yacht!

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 1:46:29 PM   
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***BREAKING***!!!
John "Live-Shot" Kerry has announced that he is "reaching out" to the Dept of Renenue of Massachusetts and paying the tax due on his yacht!


Thanks for the breaking news Popeye.
Keep up the good work.
Don't forget to let us know what Howie Carr is talking about later.


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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 1:52:08 PM   
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***BREAKING***!!!
John "Live-Shot" Kerry has announced that he is "reaching out" to the Dept of Renenue of Massachusetts and paying the tax due on his yacht!


Thanks for the breaking news Popeye.
Keep up the good work.
Don't forget to let us know what Howie Carr is talking about later.




LOL, Marini, what do you think Howie is talking about?
"John Kerry's second wife's first trust fund will pay the tax."
"John Kerry is the most successful gigolo in the country!" "Most guys get one shot at it he got two!"
According to Howie his first wife was only worth $300 million.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 2:13:35 PM   
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***BREAKING***!!!
John "Live-Shot" Kerry has announced that he is "reaching out" to the Dept of Renenue of Massachusetts and paying the tax due on his yacht!


Thanks for the breaking news Popeye.
Keep up the good work.
Don't forget to let us know what Howie Carr is talking about later.




Marini, it wasn't just Howie Carr that was after Kerry, he was playing sound bites from all kinds of reporters and news stations asking Kerry about the taxes.
So, it was a "FREE-PRESS" who got Kerry to pony up his fair share of taxes.

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RE: Should your U.S. Senator own a $7 M Yacht? - 7/27/2010 3:30:02 PM   
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***BREAKING***!!!
John "Live-Shot" Kerry has announced that he is "reaching out" to the Dept of Renenue of Massachusetts and paying the tax due on his yacht!

So you'll be apologising for the whole thread until you can find something else he's done to whine about, then?

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