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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/24/2010 10:07:11 AM   
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hi Hangdog and welcome to the forums and your trial by fire ha ha

The difficulty with what you are seeking is that you are hoping to find a Domme who will want to scene with you, to give you what you want which is to give up control and for you then to go back to your wife and every day life.  What will she get out of it?

Many of the Dommes are looking for connections with people, mental, emotional and physical and personally, I doubt that many would be satisfied with what you would have to offer which would be a few stolen hours when you can.

The issue of consent also may come up.  Is your wife consenting to be the third in a relationship because that is what she will be.  Even without sex you will be building a strong emotional connection with another woman.  How would your wife feel if she found out?  How would you feel?  I am sure you have thought long and hard about all of the possible ramifications given that you have been thinking about bdsm for 20 years.

As others have said a pro-domme may be the most realistic option for you, it will be a more direct transaction and she will not be expecting or hoping for anything more from you.

Have you thought about giving your wife the book when someone you love is kinky?

This is a difficult situation, I feel for you


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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/24/2010 10:09:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hangdog

OK, 1)  If you read the OP, you would have realized that I said I have had an interest in the lifestyle for 20 years, so your "figuring we kinky folk are.."  is wayyyyyy off base.    BDSM has NOTHING to do with morality or immorality, any more than what color shirt I choose to wear.   Please give me credit for educating myself instead of just coming here as a complete newbie, please.

According to your profile, 20 years of "studying" but only now attempting to gain real experience. I'm curious to know where you base this belief of yours that "BDSM has NOTHING to do with morality or immorality". Personally, I feel the activities that fall under the umbrella of WIITWD require honesty and trust.

2).  I'm a bit confused by this repeated references to 'cheating.'  Perhaps I've drawn the wrong conclusion from 20 years of lurking but I thought BDSM wasn't about sex. 

For some people it is, for some it isn't. Assuming can be a slippery slope. As for "cheating"...if your partner knows and condones, fine. If not, what else would you call it regardless of whether or not sex is involved?

  Sometimes there is a crossover, but that's not the point (and in my case, it's definitely not the point... the point about 'too much testosteron' was, frankly, quite insulting and hurt my feelings).   Would I be witholding a secret from my spouse? Yes.    Is that abnormal in a marital relationship?   Get real.  How much did that dress really cost?   Did you really work till 7, or did you stop by the bar to see the guys?   Does that outfit really make you look fat?    Did what you say really hurt my feelings?  

If you have no problem going behind your partner's back to get satisfaction, again with or without sex, and are able to find someone who has no problem with that, fine. The fact that you aren't being upfront with your wife is what bothers me, personally. For every action, there are consequences. Other folks may not feel that way but it's a mixed bag.

Sure, sure, what I'm proposing is somewhere in the middle between a little white lie (no, that outfit doesn't make you look fat) and whole-hog going out and enlisting the services of a prostitute.   I fully acknowledge what it is, and given the long history of people not being honest about their situation, I felt it was important to lay out out for everyone and be upfront (and I don't regret that decision, regardless of the response).

Yes, it is important to be upfront about your marital status. Be aware, though, that many people have no problem giving their opinion as to your choice to go behind your wife's back for satisfaction again, with or without sex. In all honesty, I like when a man says he's married because it makes it easier for me to avoid involvement beyond anything more than friendly chit chat, unless he's in a consensual open or poly relationship.

But no, I don't consider the community somehow full of immoral people, but I see lots of profiles where people are married but don't mention their spouses as being part of the scene, or aware of it.   But if I'm really such an outlying point (and I don't think I am), then I happily withdraw my "Introduction" post.

I'm curious, given that you made the comment that you've been a lurker here for awhile, what sort of response did you think you would recieve. Did you look at the link I posted in my previous post? Yes, there are married cheaters on CollarMe...yes, many come to the boards thinking it won't be a problem...yes, many are surprised when they recive this type of response...yes, people judge based on what you write...yes, it's not always fair but neither is life. What were your expectations?

But for god's sake, don't accuse me of thinking things about the community that I clearly don't.   That's the biggest insult of all.


I think it would be best for you to get involved with your local offline community. Maybe even ask them about your situation and see what sort of responses you get. Again, it's a mixed bag.





*edited to add.....I notice you don't mention the fact that you're married in your profile.

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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/24/2010 10:14:13 AM   
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Wether sex or not is going on, people still see having  a relationship or emotional ties to someone outside your marriage, with out permission as cheating.

If your wife would be angry or hurt to know what you've been up to behind her back, you're cheating.

Doesn't matter if you're not fucking someone, you're doing something with out permission from the wife. a whole boat load of people here will not engage someone who doesn't have permission from their spouse, and any way you dress it up, or dress it down, or try to present it, still doesn't make it ok for the domme's on here to engage someone with out a spouses permission.


And not every one keeps secrets from their spouse or partner, and not every one tells "white lies"


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ORIGINAL: hangdog

2).  I'm a bit confused by this repeated references to 'cheating.'
Would I be witholding a secret from my spouse? Yes.    Is that abnormal in a marital relationship?   Get real.  How much did that dress really cost?   Did you really work till 7, or did you stop by the bar to see the guys?   Does that outfit really make you look fat?    Did what you say really hurt my feelings? 


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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/24/2010 10:23:22 AM   
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Welcome to the forums Hangdog, and bravo to you for knowing what it is you need. That's half the battle.
The other half is making it out of the forums in one piece.
You'll be fine

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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/24/2010 11:28:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hangdog


Bring the wife into the scene?  Well, (a) that kind of defeats the purpose of escape.
 

What precludes the two of you having that "escape" together?

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ORIGINAL: hangdog  Even if she did accept it and join up (this is the bible belt), I'd spend more energy explaining everything and more hand-holding would be required. 
  

There are plenty of us here in the "bible belt" who find partners, and have loving monogomous bdsm relationships.And any relationship of the type you seek WILL require you expending energy...and at times, some hand-holding, no matter which side of the kneel you're on, so you may as well do it with your wife. It could even bring you both closer together. Whereas what you're looking for can do nothing but pull you apart.    

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ORIGINAL: hangdog
Don't get me wrong- I love my wife, and the sex is great.   I'm just living in this pressure cooker and have observed a potential release valve sitting there for ~20 years.   But I guess that makes me the asshole.


In my book it does. I don't care for liars or cheaters, and wouldn't consider having a relationship with one. And if I found my hubby coming to a board such as this trying to find someone else to play with...well...it wouldn't bode well for him.


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ORIGINAL: hangdog   I've learned a lot more in the last day about the community than I have lurking it all this time.  Fascinating.


I certainly hope you've learned what we've tried to impart, but when you're dick's talking, it's hard to hear much else. (and yes, cbt, and tease and denial ARE sexual.)

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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/24/2010 11:55:51 AM   
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Hi there.   I'm a newcomer... kind of.   I've been 'lurking' the lifestyle for a long time.   A really long time.   If anyone remembers alt.bdsm on USENET, that would give you an idea.   Sorry I don't have a picture up yet- I'm working on that.

So, who am I?  First off, I'll throw out that I'm married.   No playing around on that issue.   No, she doesn't know.   That's kind of the point, and I'll explain:

The allure of this lifestyle for me isn't about sex, it's about the issues of control or non-control.   I have a small business, and between that and a spouse who constantly depends on me for everything and can almost not even tie her shoes without me, good god I need a break.    Heading off to the bar or out on the boat... well, that's maybe a 2-hour *escape*, but it's not a *break*.    Does that make sense?

So, what I think I'm really seeking is a break from being in control, and to be controlled as therapy, catharsis, whatever it is.  If I were pay a professional domme, I would view it like a psychotherapy appointment.   That being said, what specifics would I be into?   Rope play?  CBT?  Denial?  Sensory deprivation?   I can't say 100%.  I think I know which things intrigue me, which things look kind of boring, and which things are just... ewww.   But the items in the first category (what intrigues me), I can't really say for sure until I try them.   And to be honest, that first step is a bit scary.  

I know the best way probably to get the feet wet is to find a munch and a no-participation-required play party to attend.   (Many thanks BTW to MisterMichael for sending info about the Louisville thing this weekend.. in fact, it was probably your email that propelled me to post, because I so wish I could take the time to attend- just too short a notice!).   So I'll keep my eyes open for another upcoming one.

So, thanks to everyone and thanks to whoever put up the site, it's a really great site.


It seems to me that if you set forth with not everything clearly defined then the outcome is doomed to be reflective of the choices you originally make. Therefore never settle for anything less than the whole truth. Less you will find yourself in the hole you dug for yourself when you chose to avoid telling the whole truth to yourself and others. Weigh the consequences prior to proceeding, regardless the path you choose. Your choices, believe it or not, will find you out even if you disagree.

What goes around comes around!

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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/24/2010 1:04:25 PM   
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Red, you're right.  I guess I was hoping for something different in a "welcome/introduction" thread.   I'm sorry if my defensiveness offended anybody, I just felt it was important to clarify my position and defend myself when people started putting words in my mouth about what I thought about other people in the community.   I hope you can understand where I was coming from with that.   No one likes to be portrayed as something they are not, or, more accurately, accused of harboring a prejudice they don't hold.   That's what bothered me more than anything.

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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/24/2010 1:18:11 PM   
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Well, that's too bad because I think most of us were hoping that it would have been that whole deceiving your wife part that would have bothered you more than anything...

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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/24/2010 3:03:44 PM   
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as an aside...you must have known what your wife was like before you married her.  You have the option of divorce.  Do you think the hot ones would be out of reach once you were divorced?

There are cleaner ways to get your escape, and the "messier" ways tend to blow up in your face at reeeeeally inconvenient times.  Like family Christmas.  Office parties.  Right when your life's most hectic.

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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/24/2010 4:41:23 PM   
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Long post -you  might want to get some milk and cookies to dunk :)

quote:

ORIGINAL: hangdog

Hi there.   I'm a newcomer... kind of.   I've been 'lurking' the lifestyle for a long time.   A really long time.   If anyone remembers alt.bdsm on USENET, that would give you an idea.   Sorry I don't have a picture up yet- I'm working on that.

So, who am I?  First off, I'll throw out that I'm married.   No playing around on that issue.   No, she doesn't know.   That's kind of the point, and I'll explain:

The allure of this lifestyle for me isn't about sex, it's about the issues of control or non-control.   I have a small business, and between that and a spouse who constantly depends on me for everything and can almost not even tie her shoes without me, good god I need a break.    Heading off to the bar or out on the boat... well, that's maybe a 2-hour *escape*, but it's not a *break*.    Does that make sense?

So, what I think I'm really seeking is a break from being in control, and to be controlled as therapy, catharsis, whatever it is.  If I were pay a professional domme, I would view it like a psychotherapy appointment.   That being said, what specifics would I be into?   Rope play?  CBT?  Denial?  Sensory deprivation?   I can't say 100%.  I think I know which things intrigue me, which things look kind of boring, and which things are just... ewww.   But the items in the first category (what intrigues me), I can't really say for sure until I try them.   And to be honest, that first step is a bit scary.  

I know the best way probably to get the feet wet is to find a munch and a no-participation-required play party to attend.   (Many thanks BTW to MisterMichael for sending info about the Louisville thing this weekend.. in fact, it was probably your email that propelled me to post, because I so wish I could take the time to attend- just too short a notice!).   So I'll keep my eyes open for another upcoming one.

So, thanks to everyone and thanks to whoever put up the site, it's a really great site.



Hangdog - welcome to the forums.

I've read the responses so far, and there haven't been any surprises. This is a great opportunity for you, and you'll get lots of feedback to process.

People are attracted to power exchange for many reasons, as I'm sure you've surmised over the years as an observer. (not in any particular order - sexual fetish, desire to please, desire to explore personal boundaries, desire to nurture, desire to experience intense sensation/find an altered state of consciousness/shut down the brain, etc)

Because of past choices, you're now finding yourself in a position which you find very stressful. You've identified some possible 'solutions' to your immediate and most pressing problem, and you're seeking another individual to help meet your need.

From someone who has been in your shoes (check previous postings), I'll share that you are seeking an aspirin for a repetitive-stress related injury. If you are looking for a temporary solution, with a WHOLE LOT of bad side effects, you are on the perfect path. However, there are better, long term options, if you care to consider them.

What I took away from your posting, is that there are positive and negative attributes to your current marital relationship. You also state you are looking to 'give up control'.

A bit of history - when I met Otters, he and his wife were exploring poly. Being quite independent myself, I was amazed at the obvious 'inability to care for herself' traits, it seemed his wife appeared to suffer from. On the flip side, Otters is a very loving, nurturing person who loves to please. Not weak by any stretch, he very much 'takes care of' his partner.Considering this,  fast forward 17 years, and now their dynamic made sense. His sense of satisfaction from taking care of her, was in fact, enabling her 'helplessness'. I tell you this, OP, because it's very likely, that your current dynamic was created jointly and unknowingly by both you and your wife. If this is now causing you stress, you can proactively, honestly, work toward bringing that into balance. (not the whole solution by far, nor an overnight fix)

That won't meet your need for 'escape'. Do you exercise regularly? That too, can help relieve stress.

If you do, then perhaps what you are seeking, is someone open-minded and understanding of your need to submit to another's desires? A need to suffer for another's pleasure? Or, perhaps it is more the mental 'time out' you are expecting to get from "letting Someone else drive" while experiencing an intensely close energetic connection?

These are all legitimate needs. The vanilla world doesn't necessarily understand them, which is why 'we' gather here 'amongst our own kind'.

Your needs are just as valid as those of your partner. You should not be ashamed to attempt to educate her. She makes the choice to participate in a loving, understanding way towards you, as you do for her. If she chooses not to walk with you, that's a conscious choice she's made.

Don't know if that's what you want, because you've just read and observed but not participated much? After 20 years you're still seeking...this is important to you.

When we interact through power exchange, there is a lot of trust involved. Power-exchange is 'empowering' and so there are many of us who have been in 'difficult, if not impossible' situations in our past, who navigated through tumultuous times, and got burned because of our own lack of integrity in a primary relationship.

Hell is hot, my dear!

The cliche, "That which doesn't kill you, makes you stronger!" - well, I happen to believe this. I've also learned that the path of  'lack of integrity' gets really, really messy. The sad part is someone said that to me, and I just knew I could navigate it. We all need to learn the lesson, and most of the time it is experientially.(?sp)

The fact that you are here, means you have the desire to participate, not just observe anymore. Excellent for you! I'll warn you that 'just a taste' will not satiate you and I caution you to step carefully and with intention, so you can mitigate the damage.

Energy flows, where you put your attention. We are the sum of our experiences. If you are willing to put your attention elsewhere, and take it away from your primary relationship, this will effect you and it. Your hope is that if you can get some relief, you will be more content at home. Again, I will say that 'just a taste' will not satiate you, but is more likely to cause an addiction/obsession. You have been warned! :)

Having been where you are, I don't judge you. However, I also wouldn't participate with you in anything other than an online correspondence. Why? Because you are (it seems) consciously carving a HUGE karmic bull's eye on yourself, and whether it happens now, or later, the end result will not be pretty.

If you choose to do nothing, and stuff your desires, that just draws out your discomfort and makes you stressed and resentful. (as if you didn't already know this!)

If you want to feel more content and satisfied in your life, you do need to do something. Make changes toward living more authentically. Right now, you have the power to choose how to navigate that path, and as another poster said, each choice/step, will have an outcome.

I wish you luck!  Choose wisely!



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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/24/2010 7:44:44 PM   
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Because he wants to get away from his wife, and her neediness. Bringing your needy clingy wife along on your escape from her, , isn't much of an escape.
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What precludes the two of you having that "escape" together?



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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/25/2010 4:22:19 AM   
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HELLO, THIS ISN'T ALL ABOUT YOU!

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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/25/2010 4:28:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hangdog

I'm a bit confused by this repeated references to 'cheating.'  Perhaps I've drawn the wrong conclusion from 20 years of lurking but I thought BDSM wasn't about sex.  

But for god's sake, don't accuse me of thinking things about the community that I clearly don't.   That's the biggest insult of all.


BDSM is reeking with sex.

And every time someone mentions "the community", it makes me think of a group of pod people.

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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/25/2010 4:43:34 AM   
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"*edited to add.....I notice you don't mention the fact that you're married in your profile.
Actually, I tried to list that, I just have not seen where that is.   I'll look again.

BIG THANK to SthrnCom4t for a very helpful and well-meaning response.    I really appreciate your thoughts and advice, and will take it to heart.    THANKS!

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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/25/2010 4:51:29 AM   
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"*edited to add.....I notice you don't mention the fact that you're married in your profile.
Actually, I tried to list that, I just have not seen where that is.   I'll look again.


I don't think any of the drop down menus list married as an option, what people do is write in their profile that they are married and then mention the type of relationship they are seeking. 


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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/25/2010 4:59:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Because he wants to get away from his wife, and her neediness. Bringing your needy clingy wife along on your escape from her, , isn't much of an escape.
quote:

ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx


What precludes the two of you having that "escape" together?





Perhaps when she's topping him, (if she decides to do so) he'll see another side of her.
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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/25/2010 5:29:37 PM   
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Perhaps. One never knows.

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Perhaps when she's topping him, (if she decides to do so) he'll see another side of her.


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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/26/2010 6:45:30 AM   
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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/26/2010 5:30:55 PM   
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I know exactly what my issues are. I did years of soul-searching before posting this, so I knew exactly why I was here. I live a life where I go from dealing with fighting or substance-abusing employees 8 hours a day, to a home life where I'm helping my spouse find her keys/purse because she can't lay them down in the same place twice, researching and proving the latest scam letter she got was indeed a scam, assuring her that the person who wronged her this week didn't really mean it (is this still high school?), etc. It's a crushing pressure. Sure, I could go see a conventional therapist and tell them all this, but duh... I know EXACTLY what's bothering me, so what's the point? I need a solution.


Subbing for a Domme is not your solution. In fact, i will venture a wild ass guess that it will only compound your problems.

Your solution is to get your house in order. Stop being lazy and work on the issues with your spouse and whatever else is leaving you feeling so unsatisfied.

Should you sub to a Domme, my guess is she will be a professional, and sooner or later, your wife will find out.


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RE: Hello, this is all about me (long) - 7/26/2010 5:33:13 PM   
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every time someone mentions "the community", it makes me think of a group of pod people.


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