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Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 10:13:48 AM

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China has now surpassed the US in energy demands.

Keep in mind the Europe benefits too.

So- maybe Bush was correct to invade Iraq?

Why or why not.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 10:18:51 AM

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Bush wasn't right about anything else, so he was unlikely to have been right about this either. It isn't like the invasion was staged to benefit your country rather than Haliburton in the first place, after all.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 10:26:16 AM

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OK- with out getting into the mess... I turned on my AC and it worked. The electric bill came- it is doable for me.

I bitch alot- but compared to my parents and grandparents I have it really good.

The phone works- the net works- the bills are doable. Tho tight at times.

Even tho my house payment is going to go up- do to taxes I am still ok.

I do not have to move someone in.

Yay for good living.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 11:40:25 AM

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Okay. So if I follow you, Bush was correct to invade Iraq because you think that energy prices will rise? Is that it?

A cost-benefit analysis could be done, on how the Iraq invasion affected prices, and how much the invasion cost. But since Iraq will not become a satellite of the US but instead be autonomous (at least on paper), I don't follow how the US benefits

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 11:45:47 AM

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Unless oil in the US is opened up- then China and India put a large strain on it.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 12:02:39 PM

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PaHunk, a broken clock is "right" twice a say. Bush wasn't "right" about much. Nor was Clinton and it looks like we're going for a hat trick with Obama.
We're just putting the wrong type of people in the White house.
They're all "bought and payed for" by big business.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 1:43:27 PM

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OK- with out getting into the mess... I turned on my AC and it worked. The electric bill came- it is doable for me.

I bitch alot- but compared to my parents and grandparents I have it really good.

The phone works- the net works- the bills are doable. Tho tight at times.

Even tho my house payment is going to go up- do to taxes I am still ok.

I do not have to move someone in.

Yay for good living.

Imagine not having enough clean water to drink,little to wash with and not enough to eat.That`s more than half the world`s pop.

Comparatively speaking,you`re living like a king.

Well my liege,what do you think about your kingdom?

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 2:11:40 PM

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PaHunk, a broken clock is "right" twice a say. Bush wasn't "right" about much. Nor was Clinton and it looks like we're going for a hat trick with Obama.
We're just putting the wrong type of people in the White house.
They're all "bought and payed for" by big business.

Just out of interest, who was the last President you had who didn't have a Max brodmann cartoon's hand stuck up his arse? It seems strange that you've left Bush imprimis and Saint Ronnie and his monster defecit out of the list. You were happy with Carter in the white House, I take it? He was taking far less prompts from lobbyists than Reagan did, after all.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 2:14:22 PM

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PaHunk, a broken clock is "right" twice a say. Bush wasn't "right" about much. Nor was Clinton and it looks like we're going for a hat trick with Obama.
We're just putting the wrong type of people in the White house.
They're all "bought and payed for" by big business.

I don`t know Pops.

You say that with confidence.

Can you tell us the 2 things bush got right?

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 2:16:33 PM

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he did press the right button on the intercom to summon a nurse when he was choking on a pretzel. Can't think of anything else offhand, though.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 2:21:57 PM

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oh the pretzel thing.How bizarre was that?

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 2:32:46 PM

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Fairly. It is a bit depressing that somebody too stupid to eat a pretzel without needing the heimlich manouevre got elected.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 2:47:30 PM

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Fairly. It is a bit depressing that somebody too stupid to eat a pretzel without needing the heimlich manouevre got elected.

I always wondered if that happened because he fell off the wagon

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 3:37:09 PM

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What he got elected because he was sober? It probably didn't hurt.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 3:44:32 PM

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The idea that Iraq was invaded because of oil is numbingly stupid.

Bush could have backroomed any deal with President Hussein he wanted and then lifted the oil embargo with one speech in the UN.

Believe, if you must, that he invaded them bacause they tried to kill his father, or whatever... but the oil crap is just stupid.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 3:51:57 PM

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The idea that Iraq was invaded because of oil is numbingly stupid.

Bush could have backroomed any deal with President Hussein he wanted and then lifted the oil embargo with one speech in the UN.

Believe, if you must, that he invaded them bacause they tried to kill his father, or whatever... but the oil crap is just stupid.

Especially since we havent gotten any oil out of it, even as rightful compensation for the money we spend helping them revive their oil economy.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 4:01:07 PM

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PaHunk, a broken clock is "right" twice a say. Bush wasn't "right" about much. Nor was Clinton and it looks like we're going for a hat trick with Obama.
We're just putting the wrong type of people in the White house.
They're all "bought and payed for" by big business.

I don`t know Pops.

You say that with confidence.

Can you tell us the 2 things bush got right?

Owner, honestly I can't. He was another fucking idiot from "YALE."
I just like having the option of voting for a third or fourth party, I never vote for Dem or Repub presidents and I'm never regretfull about it afterwards!

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 4:20:43 PM

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The idea that Iraq was invaded because of oil is numbingly stupid.

Bush could have backroomed any deal with President Hussein he wanted and then lifted the oil embargo with one speech in the UN.

Believe, if you must, that he invaded them bacause they tried to kill his father, or whatever... but the oil crap is just stupid.

Especially since we havent gotten any oil out of it, even as rightful compensation for the money we spend helping them revive their oil economy.

But weren't we promised exactly that?

Kampfner outlined Wolfowitz’s strategy for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which "envisaged the use of air support and the occupation of southern Iraq with ground troops, to install a new government run by Ahmed Chalabi’s Iraqi National Congress." Wolfowitz believed that the operation would require minimal troop deployment, Hersh explains, because "any show of force would immediately trigger a revolt against Saddam within Iraq, and that it would quickly expand."

The financial expenditure would be kept low, Kampfner observes, if "under the plan American troops would seize the oil fields around Basra, in the South, and sell the oil to finance the opposition."

On March 27, 2003, Wolfowitz told a Congressional panel that oil revenue earned by Iraq alone would pay for Iraq's reconstruction after the Iraq war; he testified: "The oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years. Now, there are a lot of claims on that money, but ... We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."

(Paul Wolfowitz - Wikipedia)

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/24/2010 4:45:33 PM

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The idea that Iraq was invaded because of oil is numbingly stupid.

Bush could have backroomed any deal with President Hussein he wanted and then lifted the oil embargo with one speech in the UN.

Believe, if you must, that he invaded them bacause they tried to kill his father, or whatever... but the oil crap is just stupid.

Especially since we havent gotten any oil out of it, even as rightful compensation for the money we spend helping them revive their oil economy.

But weren't we promised exactly that?

Kampfner outlined Wolfowitz’s strategy for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, which "envisaged the use of air support and the occupation of southern Iraq with ground troops, to install a new government run by Ahmed Chalabi’s Iraqi National Congress." Wolfowitz believed that the operation would require minimal troop deployment, Hersh explains, because "any show of force would immediately trigger a revolt against Saddam within Iraq, and that it would quickly expand."

The financial expenditure would be kept low, Kampfner observes, if "under the plan American troops would seize the oil fields around Basra, in the South, and sell the oil to finance the opposition."

On March 27, 2003, Wolfowitz told a Congressional panel that oil revenue earned by Iraq alone would pay for Iraq's reconstruction after the Iraq war; he testified: "The oil revenues of that country could bring between $50 and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years. Now, there are a lot of claims on that money, but ... We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon."

(Paul Wolfowitz - Wikipedia)

I remember that.
I also remember the howls of (feigned) outrage from the dims, and the war for oil bullshit that a sound strategy played into.
Doesn't look like it'll happen.
Probably even less likely that we'll make any money off Afghan minerals, more's the pity.

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RE: Could BUsh have been right? - 7/25/2010 12:14:38 PM

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China has now surpassed the US in energy demands.

Keep in mind the Europe benefits too.

So- maybe Bush was correct to invade Iraq?

Why or why not.

Well, asking if Bush was right is like asking if ice can be red hot. As for invading Iraq, I'm confused. How would china's increased energy demands give us the right to invade an unrelated sovereign country?

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