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DarlingSavage -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:00:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 We are not talking about misleading, but outright false stories about things that never happened. Newspapers have been sued for similar reporting, why should a website owner not be subject to the same civil and criminal standard. So, you think it's ok for news sources to report news in a misleading fashion in order to promote a political agenda? I beg to differ. Vehemently, no less. News sources need to stick to unadulterated, unvarnished, unmitigated facts. Otherwise, they cannot and should not be considered news sources.

domiguy -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:01:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Recently a story was posted on the web that turned out to be a hoax. The story was that a gun battle between Federal, State and local Law Enforcement agencies against a Mexican Drug gang in the town of Laredo TX. The story went viral and was reposted on the web a countless number of times. A google search using the term "Laredo Ranches taken over by Los Zetas came back with 8270 results, only one of them is a news outlet, and it quotes the diggersrealm story with no other statements. The story was reposted here last night. The story originated on diggersrealm from information relayed by Founder of the San Diego Minutemen Jeff Schwilk. The result was an overwhelming number of calls to the local Law Enforcement agencies, namely the Laredo PD and Webb County Sheriff's office, who denied the reports. A local tv station sent reporters out to the area and they returned saying nothing was going on, no law enforcement vehicles, no gun battle, nothing. The question is, should the person or persons who originated the story be held on criminal charges for the problems they caused to local law enforcement agencies with the shear volume of calls relating to the story? Ah......."rightious indignation!" Don'tcha just love it? JLF, so what else gets stuck in your craw? Reread the story. As usual your comments do not reflect upon the topic at hand...Hopefully Howie Carr can shed some light on this story so you can then adopt his interpretation of the events at hand. Puppet.

jlf1961 -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:02:29 PM)
That little item was covered in another thread. The FIRST incident was verified by both the US Navy and the North Vietnamese. The second incident was on Aug 4, and that turned out to be a US Navy ship firing at ghost images on their radar. It was the second incident that led to the gulf of tonkin resolution. That little hiccup was privately acknowledged by then President Johnson who said, "They might have been shooting at whales for all I know." Within the year, evidence had been presented that had put a decidedly different view of the incident. By the way, if you really had done your research, you would have known that on August 2nd, it was the USS Maddox AND two F8 crusader jets in the engagement. On August 4th, the only North Vietnamese navy activity was salvage operations to recover two patrol boats damaged on Aug 2nd.

Sanity -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:04:56 PM)
Along with all the charlatans from CNN and the New York Slimes and MSNBC, and all the colleges and universities and political and "scientific" organizations that joined the Reverend Al Gore in spreading his blatant lies. quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse I think that con man Al Gore should be billed for perpetuating a global warming hoax ..

Slavehandsome -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:05:40 PM)
Well Jif, good thing everybody had their ducks in a row, certainly enough to prevent a War from breaking out.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:06:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse I think that con man Al Gore should be billed for perpetuating a global warming hoax .. First of all, that's not a hoax, you moron. That's scientific fact, whether you like it or not. True, the earth is in a natural warming trend and that is part of the our planet's natural cycle. However, anthropogenic activity is greatly exacerbating the situation and is already causing irreversible damage and changes to natural cycles upon which life here as evolved to rely on over millennia. Unfortunately, since so many people are cashing in on the way things are, they don't want news to come out that might impact their bottom line, so, they throw in a bunch of bullshit and start suggesting that scientific fact is not fact but opinion. This is fact. There are countless peer reviewed scientific articles that point to this fact and it's a growing global concern.

Sanity -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:08:27 PM)
And a truth czar overseeing some sort of ministry of truth could be given new powers over the freedom of speech in order to ensure that everything thats said or written is government approved. What will tour brilliant liberal friends think of next? quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage So, you think it's ok for news sources to report news in a misleading fashion in order to promote a political agenda? I beg to differ. Vehemently, no less. News sources need to stick to unadulterated, unvarnished, unmitigated facts. Otherwise, they cannot and should not be considered news sources.

igor2003 -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:12:04 PM)
--FR-- Should H.G. Wells have been fined for the radio airing of "War of the Worlds"? Should The National Enquirer get fined or be regulated in some way for running stories like, "Bigfoot Family Destroys Small Oregon Town!" if it could cause a panic in some people? Okay, maybe that is a bit silly, but people here have pointed out that it was silly to believe some of the things in the Loredo article as well. Is it right to fine someone for other people's gullibility if there is no damage? Was there criminal intent? Was there malicious intent? Other than tying up resources was anyone actually hurt by the article? At this point I don't think the damage was enough to warrant fines etc. unless what they did is in some way covered by public nuisance laws of some sort. I don't like the idea of tax payers having to pay the tab on things like this but who knows, it may have awakened people to the fact that such things as what are mentioned in the article are a distinct possibility.

domiguy -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:12:51 PM)
Unless there is a change in the law, I don't believe that anyone will be held to be committing an illegal act by creating or perpetuating a false story unless, as previously mentioned libel/slander enter the picture... Why the parents of the balloon boy were charged with a felony was that they knowingly reported to the authorities a fraudulent story. By claiming on a website that the Laredo Texas ranches were being taken over by the Zetas ( I picture armed sorority girls)or an attack on Earth by Martians does not equate to reporting to the authorities a false story. The idea of collecting any lost wages to the authorities involved in pursuing this hoax sounds an appealing way to thwart such stories from arising. Whether in reality this can be achieved, I really have no idea.

Slavehandsome -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:13:52 PM)
Maybe the editor of the Roswell newspaper should be imprisoned, since the military clearly came forward and refuted that earlier article.

Moonhead -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:15:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 Should H.G. Wells have been fined for the radio airing of "War of the Worlds"? That was Orson Welles, and no attempt was made to present the play as anything other than fiction by most accounts. Hasn't it been suggested that the hysteria was exaggerated as a publicity stunt?

jlf1961 -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:20:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: igor2003 --FR-- Should H.G. Wells have been fined for the radio airing of "War of the Worlds"? Should The National Enquirer get fined or be regulated in some way for running stories like, "Bigfoot Family Destroys Small Oregon Town!" if it could cause a panic in some people? Okay, maybe that is a bit silly, but people here have pointed out that it was silly to believe some of the things in the Loredo article as well. Is it right to fine someone for other people's gullibility if there is no damage? Was there criminal intent? Was there malicious intent? Other than tying up resources was anyone actually hurt by the article? At this point I don't think the damage was enough to warrant fines etc. unless what they did is in some way covered by public nuisance laws of some sort. I don't like the idea of tax payers having to pay the tab on things like this but who knows, it may have awakened people to the fact that such things as what are mentioned in the article are a distinct possibility. War of the world was written by H.G. Wells in 1898. Orson Welles directed and broadcast the story on October 30, 1938, and had periodically announced it was a radio drama. There were also numerous commercial breaks during the presentation. That was the only thing that kept him from being fined. You can get a copy of the broadcast, as it was recorded. There are also websites with complete transcripts of the broadcast. Orson Welles was required to make a public apology for the broadcast, there is a picture of him doing that the morning after the broadcast.

Slavehandsome -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:22:52 PM)
How about the originators of the story about "Iraqi weapons of mass destruction"? Or, the originators of the Obama "Change" myth?

Lucylastic -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:26:15 PM)
He must have changed something the way you rightiy guys piss and whine... it just was not in the way you wanted, it doesnt make him a liar, SNORTS so funnnyyyyy

igor2003 -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:28:01 PM)
My appologies for mixing up the two Welles', but the point is still the same. That radio broadcast probably caused considerably more problems and concerns at the time than the Laredo article, so would an appology be enough to satisfy the people upset by the article? I don't think there was criminal or malicious intent in either situation.

Sanity -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:30:13 PM)
Then there was the JournoList club scandal, of course. Round 'em up and throw 'em in prison... http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0720/JournoList-Is-call-them-racists-a-liberal-media-tactic http://www.collarchat.com/m_3322683/tm.htm quote: ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome How about the originators of the story about "Iraqi weapons of mass destruction"? Or, the originators of the Obama "Change" myth?

domiguy -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 3:49:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Then there was the JournoList club scandal, of course. Round 'em up and throw 'em in prison... http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2010/0720/JournoList-Is-call-them-racists-a-liberal-media-tactic http://www.collarchat.com/m_3322683/tm.htm quote: ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome How about the originators of the story about "Iraqi weapons of mass destruction"? Or, the originators of the Obama "Change" myth? Name one known journalist or anyone that held any power that was associated with the story of the "JournoList club scandal." However, there are no illegalities from reporting or creating false news and then feeding it out for the public's consumption.

flcouple2009 -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 4:48:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy Name one known journalist or anyone that held any power that was associated with the story of the "JournoList club scandal." However, there are no illegalities from reporting or creating false news and then feeding it out for the public's consumption. But Mr Domi sir, If we took away misleading and false blogs, the dear old Sanity would have no links to post. It's that little issue Sanity has of trying to post those certain blogs and opinion pieces and pass them of as news.

TheHeretic -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 5:06:57 PM)
Much more so for Spamboy, but it's still a small price to pay, for the benefits we receive.

jlf1961 -> RE: Should originators of False and misleading stories be held criminally accountable? (7/25/2010 5:31:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Slavehandsome How about the originators of the story about "Iraqi weapons of mass destruction"? Or, the originators of the Obama "Change" myth? Actually, on this point, as I pointed out in another thread, it is a case of semantics, concerning Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction. Were there any weapons of mass destruction found? Yes, 500 chemical rounds containing DEGRADED mustard gas and sarin nerve agent. Please note the word degraded. Were these rounds useful as weapons? Only if you were hit by them falling on you after being fired. The degraded agents were harmless as chemical weapons. Were there any nukes found in Iraqi arsenals? No, the Israeli Air Force disabled the Iraqi reactor needed to manufacture weapons grade materials in 1981 and it was never repaired, it was completely destroyed by Allied forces during the 1991 gulf war. As I said, semantics.

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