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RE: British health care - 7/27/2010 4:45:33 AM   
truckinslave


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As if by being the only healthcare insurance provider our government wouldn't be able to dictate who gets what for healthcare. What a load of bs.


And it wouldn't be like doctors worked directly for the government either, like in the UK.
Nosirree bob!!
Here the government would/will only control how much doctors make.
See the difference???/

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RE: British health care - 7/27/2010 4:48:22 AM   
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If things are rationed over here it's because they are of dubious worth, not because we choose to let our poor die.


Yeah, thgose hip replacements are pretty dubious, and glaucoma!!! Why, treatment for that is still experimental.

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RE: British health care - 7/27/2010 4:59:52 AM   
DCWoody


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Status: offline 		You may want to try to match your statements more closely with reality. Seems ya didn't notice my comment on joint replacements.

I'm not an expert, mostly because of all the shittying of waters, on exactly what's going on over there....but it appears Obamas original plan was moving towards something like the German system....which has it's problems, but is a big improvement over not having universal health care at all.

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RE: British health care - 7/27/2010 10:51:06 AM   
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Yeah, thgose hip replacements are pretty dubious, and glaucoma!!! Why, treatment for that is still experimental.


You really dont have a clue about the UK do you. The health services are not going to stop hip/knee replacemnets for anyone. SOME, not all, health services are not going to operate on overweight people, unless they agree to lose weight. The reason being any new joint would quickly need doing again.

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RE: British health care - 7/27/2010 11:06:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Don't worry about most here. They've no idea of the reality of their own personal situations. The truth here is that the US system is now a totally managed system and your ability to get care is based on whether your insurance company feels like it could be a coverable expense.  Add to that you will take the medicine that they proscribe to you rather than what the doctor may or may not want. Any type of operation has to be run by a "nurse" on duty by telephone to see if you "qualify". Add to this any company provided plan can and is adjusted by price and service at the whim of the employer.

Most americans know this but as with most other things reality is a bit too tough and they'd rather type on about the founding fathers and how "free" they supposedly are.

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RE: British health care - 7/27/2010 5:31:18 PM   
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Don't worry about most here. They've no idea of the reality of their own personal situations. The truth here is that the US system is now a totally managed system and your ability to get care is based on whether your insurance company feels like it could be a coverable expense.  Add to that you will take the medicine that they proscribe to you rather than what the doctor may or may not want. Any type of operation has to be run by a "nurse" on duty by telephone to see if you "qualify". Add to this any company provided plan can and is adjusted by price and service at the whim of the employer.

Most americans know this but as with most other things reality is a bit too tough and they'd rather type on about the founding fathers and how "free" they supposedly are.


So the insurance companies are prescribing medicine and the nurses are making the final decisions on surgery? That's odd, because my dad just had surgery and they never bothered to ask a nurse if it was necessary, they just took the doctors word for it. And yes it was the same doctor that prescribed the medicine he took. I guess they forgot to ask the insurance company about that one too.


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RE: British health care - 7/27/2010 5:45:23 PM   
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Yeah, thgose hip replacements are pretty dubious, and glaucoma!!! Why, treatment for that is still experimental.


You really dont have a clue about the UK do you. The health services are not going to stop hip/knee replacemnets for anyone. SOME, not all, health services are not going to operate on overweight people, unless they agree to lose weight. The reason being any new joint would quickly need doing again.


Ah that would be the reason for some of  the American fear of universal healthcare and its pitfalls.


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RE: British health care - 7/27/2010 9:13:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		So, the people who currently are uninsured, and cannot get medical treatment no matter what, might need to wait a few weeks to get medical care under Obamacare?

They must be outraged over this.

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RE: British health care - 7/27/2010 9:54:20 PM   
tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave


Yeah, thgose hip replacements are pretty dubious, and glaucoma!!! Why, treatment for that is still experimental.


You really dont have a clue about the UK do you. The health services are not going to stop hip/knee replacemnets for anyone. SOME, not all, health services are not going to operate on overweight people, unless they agree to lose weight. The reason being any new joint would quickly need doing again.


True. The average knee replacement is 10 years before it needs to be done again.

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RE: British health care - 7/27/2010 9:57:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Don't worry about most here. They've no idea of the reality of their own personal situations. The truth here is that the US system is now a totally managed system and your ability to get care is based on whether your insurance company feels like it could be a coverable expense.  Add to that you will take the medicine that they proscribe to you rather than what the doctor may or may not want. Any type of operation has to be run by a "nurse" on duty by telephone to see if you "qualify". Add to this any company provided plan can and is adjusted by price and service at the whim of the employer.

Most americans know this but as with most other things reality is a bit too tough and they'd rather type on about the founding fathers and how "free" they supposedly are.


So the insurance companies are prescribing medicine and the nurses are making the final decisions on surgery? That's odd, because my dad just had surgery and they never bothered to ask a nurse if it was necessary, they just took the doctors word for it. And yes it was the same doctor that prescribed the medicine he took. I guess they forgot to ask the insurance company about that one too.



Your doctor can prescribe anything he wishes, order any test or procedure. That doesnt mean the insurance company will approve the coverage... and its been well documented that they dont.

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RE: British health care - 7/27/2010 11:32:54 PM   
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So, the people who currently are uninsured, and cannot get medical treatment no matter what, might need to wait a few weeks to get medical care under Obamacare?

They must be outraged over this.


Actually, many hospitals have some form of defered treatment for those whom make under the poverty line. Usually paid by people that hold a higher degree of compassion towards their fellow man (or woman). Yes, it is a concept all together impossible for the typical conservatives like you, AnimusRex, to understand. Fortunately, the world is not made, entirely of people like you, and instead, holds people that understand the real meaning of 'pain and suffering'.

I've met people who have endured agony on a level, you'll never understand in this life time. I myself, have gone through an epic struggle you will never be able to think on. You dont have any concept, nor wisdom to understand. I actually pity you as a person. Your ignorance is such, that you will never truely understand, until its well to late.

Yes, they could go to an ER, but this method is inefficient to both the patient and hospital. It would be better, to have an insurance method similar to private companies. The 'goverment option' would have been a seriously, good thing for this country. To bad, Republicans torpedo'd it...

I have no problem, helping to pay for the 30 million or so Americans who dont have health care. I dont have a problem with the men and women in our armed forces, recieving care after they have left the service. Because, I understand, what it feels like, to be in catastrophic levels of pain, and have no health insurance.

Next time you rant about 'Obamacare', make sure its not to someone who is human. You might just get an ear full.

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RE: British health care - 7/28/2010 12:51:56 AM   
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DomKen is quite correct. The UK system was never considered for use here in America. The San Fran system and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts 'Mass Health' system were the basis of frame work used. Besides which, didn't Britain sent troops to Iraq, like the USA? Takes alot of cash to fund a war. The Brits paid for it with cash, we Americans just put all of it on the national debt. Ironic isnt it? A bunch of 'fiscal responsible' conservatives, plunging the USA deep in to debt.


You and Kendoll are quite wrong. Obamacare was declared by several Dems to just be the first step toward single payer, and Obama is on the record as saying single payer is his ultimate goal.

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RE: British health care - 7/28/2010 1:06:46 AM   
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Next time you rant about 'Obamacare', make sure its not to someone who is human. You might just get an ear full.


I thought AR was being sarcastic but maybe my Frink Brand Sarcasm Detector is on the blink again

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RE: British health care - 7/28/2010 3:20:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

Next time you rant about 'Obamacare', make sure its not to someone who is human. You might just get an ear full.


I thought AR was being sarcastic but maybe my Frink Brand Sarcasm Detector is on the blink again

E


Nope, your detector isnt broken, E.

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RE: British health care - 7/28/2010 3:29:26 AM   
tazzygirl


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RE: British health care - 7/28/2010 4:02:53 AM   
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Hospital treatment is free, my wife recently had an operation and recieved excellent surgery and superb aftercare, without any bill being delivered.


While it is free, I would never want to face the situation to actually stay in a hospital here (only know them from outpatient appointments and visiting people in there) whereas I always had a very comfortable experience during my several stays in hospital in Germany.  So just because it offers a fair bit...does not make it for me to one with good or even excellent care. Also considering how long at times the waiting times here are I know I would always go back home and register there if I would have serious health issues as there we get good treatment drugs dont have waiting times and everyone is insured there as well.

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RE: British health care - 7/28/2010 4:11:45 AM   
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but it appears Obamas original plan was moving towards something like the German system....which has it's problems, but is a big improvement over not having universal health care at all.


and also would be a massive improvement to the british NHS

http://www.amiexpat.com/2009/08/18/health-care-in-germany/

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RE: British health care - 7/28/2010 6:39:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Don't worry about most here. They've no idea of the reality of their own personal situations. The truth here is that the US system is now a totally managed system and your ability to get care is based on whether your insurance company feels like it could be a coverable expense.  Add to that you will take the medicine that they proscribe to you rather than what the doctor may or may not want. Any type of operation has to be run by a "nurse" on duty by telephone to see if you "qualify". Add to this any company provided plan can and is adjusted by price and service at the whim of the employer.

Most americans know this but as with most other things reality is a bit too tough and they'd rather type on about the founding fathers and how "free" they supposedly are.


So the insurance companies are prescribing medicine and the nurses are making the final decisions on surgery? That's odd, because my dad just had surgery and they never bothered to ask a nurse if it was necessary, they just took the doctors word for it. And yes it was the same doctor that prescribed the medicine he took. I guess they forgot to ask the insurance company about that one too.



So "dad" is on a Company paid policy?

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RE: British health care - 7/28/2010 6:44:28 AM   
thishereboi


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So, the people who currently are uninsured, and cannot get medical treatment no matter what, might need to wait a few weeks to get medical care under Obamacare?

They must be outraged over this.


What makes you think if you are uninsured you can't get medical treatment. I don't have insurance and I got my last appointment the day after I called in for it.


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RE: British health care - 7/28/2010 6:46:29 AM   
thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Don't worry about most here. They've no idea of the reality of their own personal situations. The truth here is that the US system is now a totally managed system and your ability to get care is based on whether your insurance company feels like it could be a coverable expense.  Add to that you will take the medicine that they proscribe to you rather than what the doctor may or may not want. Any type of operation has to be run by a "nurse" on duty by telephone to see if you "qualify". Add to this any company provided plan can and is adjusted by price and service at the whim of the employer.

Most americans know this but as with most other things reality is a bit too tough and they'd rather type on about the founding fathers and how "free" they supposedly are.


So the insurance companies are prescribing medicine and the nurses are making the final decisions on surgery? That's odd, because my dad just had surgery and they never bothered to ask a nurse if it was necessary, they just took the doctors word for it. And yes it was the same doctor that prescribed the medicine he took. I guess they forgot to ask the insurance company about that one too.



Your doctor can prescribe anything he wishes, order any test or procedure. That doesnt mean the insurance company will approve the coverage... and its been well documented that they dont.


That is not what he said. He said insurance companies prescribe medicine and that doctors go and ask nurses for approval on surgeries.


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