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Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor"... - 7/27/2010 3:24:20 PM   
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It's still summer but the word in Washington is that, come fall, the neocon crowd that helped lie us into Iraq will be out trying to do the same thing with Iran.

Commentary, the magazine which invented neoconservatism, is already announcing that sanctions have failed and it's time for the next step.

And this neocon manifesto argues that war is bad, but a lot better than no war. Of course, nobody takes Commentary seriously (it is too open about its "Greater Israel first" agenda). But it still is valuable because of what it tells you about neocon thinking.

But Jeff Goldberg of the Atlantic is something else. He writes for Atlantic and Atlantic (both the magazine and the blog made famous by Andrew Sullivan) matters.

In late August, the influential Goldberg will be coming out with a cover story urging the United States to attack Iran so that Israel doesn't have to. Goldberg, an American who served in the Israeli army as a guard at a Palestinian prison camp, is about as close to the "pro-Israel" lobby as one can be without actually working at headquarters.


Full story here.

And we hear the same people criticizing President Obama for putting more troops in Afghanistan.

My question is, with the call to put the national guard, if not regular Army troops on the southern border, our commitments in the number of men and women slated to go to Afghanistan, just where in the hell do they think they can come up with the troops?

In a related note:

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Ahmadinejad says expects U.S. to attack MidEast soon

(Reuters) - Iran expects the United States to launch a military strike on "at least two countries" in the Middle East in the next three months, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told state-run Press TV.

In an interview recorded on Monday, Ahmadinejad did not specify whether he thought Iran itself would be attacked nor did he say what intelligence led him to expect such a move.


full story here.

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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 3:29:05 PM   
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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 3:33:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		But it is the Neocons that are pushing for it. I doubt very seriously Obama will put troops on the ground in Iran, we just dont have enough.

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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 3:44:25 PM   
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But it is the Neocons that are pushing for it. I doubt very seriously Obama will put troops on the ground in Iran, we just dont have enough.



JLF, lol, which is it? Is Obama going to give the order or not?
Personally I'd prefer to see Israel bomb the living crap out of Iran but that's entirely up to them. Lots more "insult affect" there for their buck than ours!
And if not Israel then let Europe do it.
And for Troops we're down to 50,000 in Iraq now and Joe Biden said that by July of next year that number will be "zero."

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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 3:45:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Popeye, if you had read the report, the neocons are pushing for open war with Iran. The President is a Democrat, not a neocon.

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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 3:49:48 PM   
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Popeye, if you had read the report, the neocons are pushing for open war with Iran. The President is a Democrat, not a neocon.


Well he did a great immitation with all that TARP money bailing out Wall St, Big Banks, Big businesses and refusing to enforce our borders and immigration laws! I call him "Bush 3".

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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 3:52:14 PM   
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But it is the Neocons that are pushing for it. I doubt very seriously Obama will put troops on the ground in Iran, we just dont have enough.



JLF, lol, which is it? Is Obama going to give the order or not?
Personally I'd prefer to see Israel bomb the living crap out of Iran but that's entirely up to them. Lots more "insult affect" there for their buck than ours!
And if not Israel then let Europe do it.
And for Troops we're down to 50,000 in Iraq now and Joe Biden said that by July of next year that number will be "zero."

Europe doesn't give a fuck who runs Iran. It's right leaning American conservativesindependents like yourself who have a bee in their bonnet about Ahmadinnejacket and the Ayatollah.

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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 4:27:55 PM   
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Well he did a great immitation with all that TARP money bailing out Wall St, Big Banks, Big businesses and refusing to enforce our borders and immigration laws! I call him "Bush 3".


You might want to go back to Bush 2 for TARP, but hey, why let facts stand in the way of proving your centrist Independent philosophy.

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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 4:53:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Which will drive the Iranian neo-cons to ramp up their schtick and thus drive their American neo-con counterparts to further incite war and fear.


The moderate Iranians will get driven farther underground and marginalized,scapegoated and blamed,attacked and jailed.


But American neo-cons(rich) could not care less about Iranian moderates.They care less than Iranian neo-cons do.




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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 5:17:33 PM   
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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 5:18:22 PM   
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If the US were to invade Iran, it will be Obama sending in the troops, and not the neo-cons. George Bush hasn''t been president for almost 2 years..


You obviously didn't get the latest memo. Anything bad that happens here is the fault of the right. Anything good is because of those loving liberals.


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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 5:21:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I sure as hell havent seen any liberal or democrats calling for military action against Iran.

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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 5:27:46 PM   
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You obviously didn't get the latest memo. Anything bad that happens here is the fault of the right. Anything good is because of those loving liberals.



You finally get it.

Come over from the dark side.

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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 5:32:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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You obviously didn't get the latest memo. Anything bad that happens here is the fault of the right. Anything good is because of those loving liberals.



You finally get it.

Come over from the dark side.

We have free pizza and beer.



I would but the cons promised me steak and lobster. Sorry bout that


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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 5:40:21 PM   
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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 5:47:30 PM   
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We`re just telling the truth(in real time)and they think it`s hell.

For thisherebio,one can`t criticize conservatives without having an equal criticism for liberals.

It`s just not fair......

If only liberals were racebaiting war/fear mongering obstructionists who didn`t care about America`s workers,employed and un-employed.


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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 6:22:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

You obviously didn't get the latest memo. Anything bad that happens here is the fault of the right. Anything good is because of those loving liberals.



You finally get it.

Come over from the dark side.

We have free pizza and beer.



I would but the cons promised me steak and lobster. Sorry bout that



Elitist.

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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/27/2010 8:21:03 PM   
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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/28/2010 6:24:02 AM   
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For thisherebio,one can`t criticize conservatives without having an equal criticism for liberals.


Where did I ever say that? Didn't anyone ever tell you that putting words in other peoples mouths doesn't accomplish anything. It just makes you look like a fool.


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RE: Neocons Ready Fall Campaign to "Pearl Harbor&q... - 7/28/2010 6:26:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

You obviously didn't get the latest memo. Anything bad that happens here is the fault of the right. Anything good is because of those loving liberals.



You finally get it.

Come over from the dark side.

We have free pizza and beer.



I would but the cons promised me steak and lobster. Sorry bout that



Elitist.



That is just not true. We always offer our leftover shells and bones to the little people after they are done cleaning up after us.


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