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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 4:50:52 PM

slaveluci

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ORIGINAL: sweetsub1957
I don't see HOW someone who's never experienced being a submissive or having sub frenzy could possibly know what it's like.....any more than I know what being a Domme feels like. His "knowledge" of sub frenzy is based purely on blind conjecture, NOT personal experience.

As someone who has "experienced being a submissive" and knows about her own "personal experience," I agree with Porcelaine only I wouldn't have stated it so subtly. This is my own personal opinion and I will not be derided for it or convinced otherwise.....it's bullshit. It's a pitiful, flimsy excuse to act like a totally out of control, mindless moron. Slapping a BDSM label on it makes it all serious and acceptable to lots of folks but it's (TO ME) absolute nonsense. Anytime anyone just stops thinking wisely and forges ahead stupidly and without thought, it's careless and stupid and inexcusable, frankly. When one is doing it for a dom, it's "sub frenzy." Total and utter bollocks! But that's just me..........luci

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 5:05:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: KillerKitten

i apologize in advance if this has already been covered (i did look lol), but all i found were references to sub frenzy, but nothing on what it IS. Can anyone explain this to me? Thanks!
KK

It's a combination of imagination, excitement, ignorance, desperation and impatience.

Imagination - You find this.. thing and build an ideal around it in your head. It's what you want .. you believe it's what you are and then you seek out that dream. It doesn't matter if it's realistic or fantastic. It's your own personal fantasy and.. it's perfect in every way.

Excitement - Your dream is going to become reality, damn it. Come hell or high water.. it's going to become reality.

Ignorance - You have decided that you are a slave.. submissive.. etc., and because you don't have any experience you think that, yes, you are a slave so you do what you are told.. by every Dom, Dick and Hairy out there.

Desperation - God.. need to get that itch scratched.. need to get that itched scratched.. Need to get that itch scratched NOW.

Impatience - Where in the hell is my dom, my master.. I need my freakin' itch scratched. Someone.. anyone, please, please.. scratch my itch!!

That combination = sub frenzy.

Time and sticking your hand onto a burning hot stove a time or two is a sure fire cure to what ails. Some people are fortunate enough to find forums like these where the ladies and gents will talk ya down from the high before you tumble down and hurt yourself. Other's aren't so lucky and jump in to the deep end of the water only to find out they damn near drown because they forgot they didn't know how to swim yet.

MMV and almost always does.

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 5:08:38 PM

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 5:49:02 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveluci

As someone who has "experienced being a submissive" and knows about her own "personal experience," I agree with Porcelaine only I wouldn't have stated it so subtly. This is my own personal opinion and I will not be derided for it or convinced otherwise.....it's bullshit. It's a pitiful, flimsy excuse to act like a totally out of control, mindless moron. Slapping a BDSM label on it makes it all serious and acceptable to lots of folks but it's (TO ME) absolute nonsense. Anytime anyone just stops thinking wisely and forges ahead stupidly and without thought, it's careless and stupid and inexcusable, frankly. When one is doing it for a dom, it's "sub frenzy." Total and utter bollocks! But that's just me..........luci

*laughing* I was actually trying to tone it down on that one. But you weren't too hard on them. I've seen far worse. We should really stop promoting this idea and validating its authenticity in my opinion. Most of the women doing this are not young girls and it looks pretty darned sad in all truth. It goes hand in hand with this zany notion that kink means you're clueless about relationships with the other person.

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 5:59:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: CelticPrince
sweetsub,

You went through the discovery stage when you first came upon the world of D/s. I believe you marveled at the candidness of the whole thing and the lack of the need for pretentiousness............. all so appealing to anyone that was stuck in the mainstream of social interaction.
I do not believe that your desire to expand the experiences constitutes sub frenzy. it was simply throwing caution to the winds.

Laughs, course simply my opinion of course.

CP

hahaha You have NO idea what it was like. I'm not saying that every instance of stupidity is sub frenzy. Far from it. But....You're telling me You've experienced sub frenzy & know what it's like?

~sweetsub~

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 6:19:34 PM

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Perhaps he has enjoyed some of those subs who choose to indulge in the idiocy that results from desperation, desire, lack of common sense, and the resulting "anyone will do" mentality that encourages people throw caution to the wind.
Particularly those that will believe the lines that say "this is how you think", without knowing that person from adam or alice.

quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetsub1957
But....You're telling me You've experienced sub frenzy & know what it's like?

~sweetsub~

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 6:22:41 PM

slaveluci

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine
*laughing* I was actually trying to tone it down on that one. But you weren't too hard on them. I've seen far worse. We should really stop promoting this idea and validating its authenticity in my opinion. Most of the women doing this are not young girls and it looks pretty darned sad in all truth. It goes hand in hand with this zany notion that kink means you're clueless about relationships with the other person.

Nuff said..........luci

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 6:29:30 PM

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It's simply desire. Nothing mystical or evil about it.

We've all taken chances when trying to get what we want on occasion.

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 6:34:26 PM

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Subtle point here: i think it's valid to recognize that as a feeling, or as an impulse, sub frenzy absolutely exists.

It is how the submissive manages the frenzy that is an indicator of maturity.

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 6:37:03 PM

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~FR~
I'm not excusing sub frenzy. I was just saying that there is a good percentage of subs/slaves that "fall prey to it" at first. I agree that it is mindless stupidity and a lack of common sense. It's just a common enough occurence in new subs/slaves that someone chose to give it a name.

quote:

ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven

Subtle point here: i think it's valid to recognize that as a feeling, or as an impulse, sub frenzy absolutely exists.

It is how the submissive manages the frenzy that is an indicator of maturity.

Exactly.
~sweetsub~

~edited to add UniqueRaven's quote~

< Message edited by sweetsub1957 -- 7/29/2010 6:41:07 PM >

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 6:43:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Icarys

It's simply desire. Nothing mystical or evil about it.

We've all taken chances when trying to get what we want on occasion.

Hello darling

. Pretty much. Sub-frenzy is no more than "vanilla-crushing" on someone. Sometimes this place gets a tad bit over zealous in it's readiness to label everything BDSM related when in reality is is just life.

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 6:43:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven

Subtle point here: i think it's valid to recognize that as a feeling, or as an impulse, sub frenzy absolutely exists.

It is how the submissive manages the frenzy that is an indicator of maturity.

That.

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 6:50:41 PM

UniqueRaven

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OK, obviously i have more to say here, (smiles).

It makes me sad that people rush so quickly to judge a submissive who is experiencing the feelings that are identified as "sub frenzy."

Yes, often those feelings lead to bad judgment. It is a lesson we almost all must learn - the hard way. i'm looking around and wondering if there's anyone here who can say he/she has never had a moment's lapse in judgment as a submissive or slave - especially when awash in the feelings of passion, arousal, and submission? i know that i have.

Feelings are simply that - feelings. They must be felt, dealt with, and moved through. The Internet teaches us that the solution to "sub frenzy" is in the hands of the Dominant. The Internet is wrong. The only solution for "sub frenzy" is inside of the submissive - and it is a process of emotional growth and maturity that she must go through.

Yes, there are some people out there who throw around "sub frenzy" as an excuse for poor behavior. But honestly, i most often see someone being blamed of "sub frenzy" when she is simply trying to find her way as a new submissive in this huge world of BDSM, experiencing new sensations and feelings and emotions that she is suddenly awash within - and i see her as deserving of empathy, and as much guidance as we can offer (and that she will accept) as possible - because she's not using it as an excuse, it is simply the current state of her experience, and she's trying to deal with it and get help with it.

For me, i've learned to deal with the feelings of sub frenzy through yoga, meditation, and sometimes simply just withdrawing from the situation - or even the world. i've learned to communicate honestly and effectively what's going on with me - and to be obedient and serve no matter what my feelings are. But these skills take time and discipline to learn. i didn't have them on day one.

So my thoughts: let's consider less judgment, and more empathy, around this phenomenon that we call "sub frenzy". We all know it happens. It's how we help others that matters.

< Message edited by UniqueRaven -- 7/29/2010 6:52:05 PM >

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 6:52:02 PM

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the below quote from BitaTruble is excellent!!!! if subfrenzy is ever to be listed in Websters, then this should be the definition.

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

ORIGINAL: KillerKitten

It's a combination of imagination, excitement, ignorance, desperation and impatience.

Imagination - You find this.. thing and build an ideal around it in your head. It's what you want .. you believe it's what you are and then you seek out that dream. It doesn't matter if it's realistic or fantastic. It's your own personal fantasy and.. it's perfect in every way.

Excitement - Your dream is going to become reality, damn it. Come hell or high water.. it's going to become reality.

Ignorance - You have decided that you are a slave.. submissive.. etc., and because you don't have any experience you think that, yes, you are a slave so you do what you are told.. by every Dom, Dick and Hairy out there.

Desperation - God.. need to get that itch scratched.. need to get that itched scratched.. Need to get that itch scratched NOW.

Impatience - Where in the hell is my dom, my master.. I need my freakin' itch scratched. Someone.. anyone, please, please.. scratch my itch!!

That combination = sub frenzy.

Time and sticking your hand onto a burning hot stove a time or two is a sure fire cure to what ails. Some people are fortunate enough to find forums like these where the ladies and gents will talk ya down from the high before you tumble down and hurt yourself. Other's aren't so lucky and jump in to the deep end of the water only to find out they damn near drown because they forgot they didn't know how to swim yet.

MMV and almost always does.

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 6:57:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
It's a combination of imagination, excitement, ignorance, desperation and impatience.

Imagination - You find this.. thing and build an ideal around it in your head. It's what you want .. you believe it's what you are and then you seek out that dream. It doesn't matter if it's realistic or fantastic. It's your own personal fantasy and.. it's perfect in every way.

Excitement - Your dream is going to become reality, damn it. Come hell or high water.. it's going to become reality.

Ignorance - You have decided that you are a slave.. submissive.. etc., and because you don't have any experience you think that, yes, you are a slave so you do what you are told.. by every Dom, Dick and Hairy out there.

Desperation - God.. need to get that itch scratched.. need to get that itched scratched.. Need to get that itch scratched NOW.

Impatience - Where in the hell is my dom, my master.. I need my freakin' itch scratched. Someone.. anyone, please, please.. scratch my itch!!

That combination = sub frenzy.

Time and sticking your hand onto a burning hot stove a time or two is a sure fire cure to what ails. Some people are fortunate enough to find forums like these where the ladies and gents will talk ya down from the high before you tumble down and hurt yourself. Other's aren't so lucky and jump in to the deep end of the water only to find out they damn near drown because they forgot they didn't know how to swim yet.

MMV and almost always does.

Yes, i agree, a fabulous quote as well.

i'll tell you how sub frenzy feels for me: it feels like a total full-body sensory hunger that makes me feel like i want to gnaw off my right arm to appease it.

It is not an easy emotion - and it does have to be managed.

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 6:59:46 PM

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Hello darling . Pretty much. Sub-frenzy is no more than "vanilla-crushing" on someone. Sometimes this place gets a tad bit over zealous in it's readiness to label everything BDSM related when in reality is is just life.

Meh..labels have their place.. your right though..it can get a bit crazy.

I want to move to Alaska so bad I can taste the snow right now!
What would be a good frenzy name for that?

Hermitfrenzy?

< Message edited by Icarys -- 7/29/2010 7:02:25 PM >

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 7:05:20 PM

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Alaska? Nooo you bastard, Maine!

Damn it Icarys, you are always teasing me. I have Dom frenzy for you and I get this?

Alaska? Damn it....Sarah Palin won't get my man!

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 7:19:42 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven

Subtle point here: i think it's valid to recognize that as a feeling, or as an impulse, sub frenzy absolutely exists.

It is how the submissive manages the frenzy that is an indicator of maturity.

It's no different from the stuff that shows up on talk shows that leaves the audience gawking and staring in disbelief. The same sort of behavior that any well meaning friend would tell you to knock off yesterday. However, just because it's BDSM related and this is "new" it's justified in some manner.

People have new experiences everyday that doesn't lead to these reactions or behaviors that could be detrimental. So I say it's less about the submission and more related to the person exhibiting it and how they choose to handle themselves.

~porcelaine

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 7:30:30 PM

UniqueRaven

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quote:

ORIGINAL: porcelaine

quote:

ORIGINAL: UniqueRaven

Subtle point here: i think it's valid to recognize that as a feeling, or as an impulse, sub frenzy absolutely exists.

It is how the submissive manages the frenzy that is an indicator of maturity.

It's no different from the stuff that shows up on talk shows that leaves the audience gawking and staring in disbelief. The same sort of behavior that any well meaning friend would tell you to knock off yesterday. However, just because it's BDSM related and this is "new" it's justified in some manner.

People have new experiences everyday that doesn't lead to these reactions or behaviors that could be detrimental. So I say it's less about the submission and more related to the person exhibiting it and how they choose to handle themselves.

~porcelaine

i disagree porcelaine.

A woman actualizing and feeling the emotions and sensations of submission for the first experiences of her life as a submissive woman is very different from a woman who decides to punch her best friend's "Baby Daddy" in the face on national TV because he banged her half-sister in the back seat of her ex-boyfriend's Chevrolet Caprice. i don't draw a corollary between the two at all.

So do we "gawk and stare?" Or do we do our best, as more experienced submissive women to help those who are drowning? And yes, sometimes the best way to help is to say "knock it off" - as you know i'm as tough love as anyone else.

It absolutely is about the person - a person feeling the feelings and impulses labeled as "sub frenzy." But personally i think we can be less judgmental - and more helpful - because none of us is perfect.

Edited to add: The day i stand on a pedestal as a paragon of slavery is the day i will hang it in - because i've lost sight of what it truly means to be of service to others.

< Message edited by UniqueRaven -- 7/29/2010 7:33:27 PM >

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RE: what is sub frenzy? - 7/29/2010 7:37:50 PM

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quote:

Sarah Palin won't get my man!

You have no worries...I love smart wimmens!

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