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Elisabella -> Ideology and credibility (7/29/2010 3:20:29 PM)
Does someone's ideology affect their credibility to you? How closely related do the ideas have to be to be affected? I'm not talking random stuff like "you're a Christian so you don't know anything about cooking" but if someone follows an ideology that's on the political or social fringe, should that be brought up to question their viewpoint when discussing politics or sociology? IMO the two can be intertwined, for example someone who believes in conspiracy theories would to me have less credibility when discussing government actions because their view is always going to start from the base assumption that government is elitist and corrupt. That ideology would permeate anything they had to say about the matter. Or someone who is a birther, anything they think about the Obama administration is going to be colored by the fact that they think his entire Presidency is invalid and that he orchestrated a massive coverup in order to be elected. Do you think it's okay to call people on their ideology even if it isn't the exact topic at hand? I do, I think people should own their own beliefs and realize that it might make other people think less of their opinions rather than trying to play off some hippy "all opinions are completely equal, don't judge mine" tripe. y/n?

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Ideology and credibility (7/29/2010 4:03:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella Does someone's ideology affect their credibility to you? How closely related do the ideas have to be to be affected? I'm not talking random stuff like "you're a Christian so you don't know anything about cooking" but if someone follows an ideology that's on the political or social fringe, should that be brought up to question their viewpoint when discussing politics or sociology? IMO the two can be intertwined, for example someone who believes in conspiracy theories would to me have less credibility when discussing government actions because their view is always going to start from the base assumption that government is elitist and corrupt. That ideology would permeate anything they had to say about the matter. Or someone who is a birther, anything they think about the Obama administration is going to be colored by the fact that they think his entire Presidency is invalid and that he orchestrated a massive coverup in order to be elected. Do you think it's okay to call people on their ideology even if it isn't the exact topic at hand? I do, I think people should own their own beliefs and realize that it might make other people think less of their opinions rather than trying to play off some hippy "all opinions are completely equal, don't judge mine" tripe. y/n? The Government is Corrupt and Elitist, not exactly the best choice to exemplify conspiracy. The way you state it that would be the same as being a birther. The first viewpoint can be supported by 1000's of examples, dodd, cheney, rangel, geitner, paulson, whereas the birthers, well, whatever.

Elisabella -> RE: Ideology and credibility (7/29/2010 4:05:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou The Government is Corrupt and Elitist, not exactly the best choice to exemplify conspiracy. The way you state it that would be the same as being a birther. The first viewpoint can be supported by 1000's of examples, dodd, cheney, rangel, geitner, paulson, whereas the birthers, well, whatever. Yeah bad example was bad. You get what I'm saying though?

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Ideology and credibility (7/29/2010 4:20:35 PM)
Edited... For some reason in between reading the OP the first time and coming back, the question morphed in my head to relationships...... Arghhh, answered wrong then. New Response. Well, it depends how radical I suppose. I listen to some I disagree with, but I ignore some up here, even if I happen to agree with their final opinion. Why? Because, for some they don't put any thought into WHY they believe something, they just believe it, and I don't like talking to parrots. I don't really see the point of "calling them out" though, as those I'm thinking of will never change, and I don't like pointless arguments, so I'd just ignore. Original Brain Fart Response..... I think for people that value politics, it is just as important as any other valued quality, such as looks, Religion, Family Views, Income, etc... I know plenty of people though that don't care about anything other than their little place in the world, and for those people, they could probably be in a relationship with people of different political views, simply because they don't care really, similar to how I don't value art/fashion in a real way. If I cared about art/fashion I'd probably have to agree to some degree with a mate, seeing I don't care, she could just make those decision, and I wouldn't care, nor have a real opinion.

vincentML -> RE: Ideology and credibility (7/29/2010 4:31:16 PM)
I think most people are carrying baggage when they respond to posts on here. A few are so obvious and contribute nothing beyond criticism. They are annoying. But not so much to lose sleep over. After awhile you pretty much know where most are coming from. Despite their set in stone positions some folks make very valid contributions, so I try not to write them off. Sometimes I will be in sync with a member on one issue and completely opposed on another. There may be religious affinty but political disagreement, so most all are worth a respectful listen for a bit. Some write some very well-informed pieces. So, definately worth the time.

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