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truckinslave -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 9:34:40 AM)

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First off, William A. Jacobsen is a conservative....A real piece of work.


He is a professor of law at Cornell. To try to defame him you do not even attack an article to which he casually linked. You cherrypick the entire site to which he linked in your efforts to find something you consider objectionable.
Congratulations!! You've reached a new low in the annals of strawmandom.
Being a conservative doesn't make one a "real pice of work". Meaningless and deceptive tactics, well, sure.

Your opinions will mean nothing to me unless you convince me your source is God.




thompsonx -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 9:49:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

1. She will lose
2. She is still a racist. Her epihphany story is totally negated by the rest of her comments.


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
From the very first posting he made it clear that he was not accusing her of being racist,


He says she is not a racist but you say she is.
Perhaps you might enlighten us all with some sort of validation of that charge.




domiguy -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 10:00:05 AM)

Here are other articles written by your "unbiased" source, William A. Jacobsen

http://www.sodahead.com/fun/obamas-fox-news-diversion/blog-175035/



Obama's Fox News Diversion
Posted 10/21/09

William A. Jacobson
Associate Clinical Professor of Law, Cornell Law School, Ithaca, NY
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/10/obamas-fox-news...

"With each passing day, I am becoming more and more convinced that the Obama administration's sustained and crude attacks on Fox News are a big diversion.

Sure, the attacks on Fox News are unprecedented in the post-Nixon era. Barack Milhous Obama may not be change we can believe in, but it is the change we are stuck with for at least several more years.

Sure, the Obama administration wants to weaken and isolate Fox News so as to intimidate and control other news outlets. This goal would explain attacks on Fox News in general, but not the fury of the attacks at this moment in time.

Sure, the Obama administration's obsessive need to find enemies was predictable, and was predicted here almost 8 months ago:

What is it with this President? Obama has an obsessive need to find enemies against whom to campaign. When Obama's presidency is over, hopefully in four years (but likely eight years) there will be two sets of psychologists: Those who provide therapy to the American population which has seen its life savings and economic system destroyed, and those who analyze the psychosis of the Demonizer-in-Chief.
Sure, the Obama administration's bully tactics against Fox News and others deserve condemnation, as even some liberal media types finally acknowledge:

Where the White House has gone way overboard is in its decision to treat Fox as an outright enemy and to go public with the assault. Imagine the outcry if the Bush administration had pulled a similar hissy fit with MSNBC.
These explanations all make sense, but cannot be the full explanation......"



I said articles there are dozen in his blogs that show his bias....here is another

Leadership by the Wilfully Ignorant


"We are being led by ideologues who are wilfully ignorant of the legal topics about which they do not hesitate to opine. These people lack a simple inquisitiveness of the mind on topics about which they already have made up their minds.

First, Attorney General Eric Holder, the chief law enforcement official in the federal government:...."

Let's see, your esteemed Cornell law professor says this about Obama..."When Obama's presidency is over, hopefully in four years."....then goes on to refer to him as "Barack Milhous Obama" as well as the "Demonizer-in-Chief."



Should I continue? Defame him? he makes it clear that he is biased by his very own words.


You make it clear by your own words and posts that you have no idea of the ideology or the bias of source that you are quoting to try and make your point.


You should apologize now. I don't work for you. I don't think your posts show that you are such an intolerant person that you couldn't stand to have your beliefs confronted so you fired those employees that didn't share your ideology.


This post is about Shirley Sherrod. I have proven that the "one law professor" that agrees with you, that she is making a mistake, is probably almost as biased as yourself.

You should actually read what you intend to post. It would do you a wealth of good in the future.





truckinslave -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 10:08:29 AM)

OMG Domiguy!!!!!!! Really???? REALLY??????????

No one ever held Jacobson as unbiased. Few people ever hold any source these days as unbiased, except the unhinged who worship at the altar of The Slimes.
The guy is a conservative blogger. I think his analysis of the Sherrod suit is interesting. I think part of what you linked:

"With each passing day, I am becoming more and more convinced that the Obama administration's sustained and crude attacks on Fox News are a big diversion.

Sure, the attacks on Fox News are unprecedented in the post-Nixon era. Barack Milhous Obama may not be change we can believe in, but it is the change we are stuck with for at least several more years.

Sure, the Obama administration wants to weaken and isolate Fox News so as to intimidate and control other news outlets. This goal would explain attacks on Fox News in general"

is extremely insightful.

You no doubt disagree. Okay by me.....




domiguy -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 10:10:12 AM)

Please rush back so we can all be underwhelmed that some right wing attorney supports your views.

With your posts once again, you have exposed yourself for what you are.




Louve00 -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 10:29:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

My money is on AB.


Good to know, and not surprising at all.  However, despite your opinion I wouldn't put a red cent (or brown cent) on AB. [:)]




domiguy -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 10:36:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

First off, William A. Jacobsen is a conservative....A real piece of work.


He is a professor of law at Cornell. To try to defame him you do not even attack an article to which he casually linked. You cherrypick the entire site to which he linked in your efforts to find something you consider objectionable.
Congratulations!! You've reached a new low in the annals of strawmandom.
Being a conservative doesn't make one a "real pice of work". Meaningless and deceptive tactics, well, sure.

Your opinions will mean nothing to me unless you convince me your source is God.



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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

OMG Domiguy!!!!!!! Really???? REALLY??????????

No one ever held Jacobson as unbiased.


YOU DID!!!

I know you never read your sources but now you don't even bother to read what you have previously posted.


I said he was a conservative poster.

You said, I was defaming him.


You don't research your sources and you have no problem lying in an attempt to cover your own ignorance of the facts.

Try and do better in the future.




rulemylife -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 10:44:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Here are other articles written by your "unbiased" source, William A. Jacobsen

http://www.sodahead.com/fun/obamas-fox-news-diversion/blog-175035/



Obama's Fox News Diversion
Posted 10/21/09

William A. Jacobson
Associate Clinical Professor of Law, Cornell Law School, Ithaca, NY
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2009/10/obamas-fox-news...

"With each passing day, I am becoming more and more convinced that the Obama administration's sustained and crude attacks on Fox News are a big diversion.

Sure, the attacks on Fox News are unprecedented in the post-Nixon era. Barack Milhous Obama may not be change we can believe in, but it is the change we are stuck with for at least several more years.

Sure, the Obama administration wants to weaken and isolate Fox News so as to intimidate and control other news outlets. This goal would explain attacks on Fox News in general, but not the fury of the attacks at this moment in time.

Sure, the Obama administration's obsessive need to find enemies was predictable, and was predicted here almost 8 months ago:

What is it with this President? Obama has an obsessive need to find enemies against whom to campaign. When Obama's presidency is over, hopefully in four years (but likely eight years) there will be two sets of psychologists: Those who provide therapy to the American population which has seen its life savings and economic system destroyed, and those who analyze the psychosis of the Demonizer-in-Chief.
Sure, the Obama administration's bully tactics against Fox News and others deserve condemnation, as even some liberal media types finally acknowledge:

Where the White House has gone way overboard is in its decision to treat Fox as an outright enemy and to go public with the assault. Imagine the outcry if the Bush administration had pulled a similar hissy fit with MSNBC.
These explanations all make sense, but cannot be the full explanation......"




What could you possibly find biased about that?

And the Bush administration pulled the exact same "hissy fit" with the New York Times.




truckinslave -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 10:55:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

OMG Domiguy!!!!!!! Really???? REALLY??????????

No one ever held Jacobson as unbiased.


YOU DID!!!


I reprint for you, below, the only post I made about Jacobson prior to the start of this shaggy-dog-story turned farce (ever read Moliere? Voltaire?):

"What I mean is that I doubt she has much of a case. At least one law professor agrees with me".

Anything about "unbiased " there?

I never used the word "defamed". I never implied you defamed him. I said:

"You cherrypick the entire site to which he linked in your efforts to find something you consider objectionable."

YOU, DG, only you, something you consider objectionable.

Far from constituting defamation, I rather imagine that the good Professor Jacobson would take some small amount of pride in the knowledge you found such things in his writings. As do I, although the amount is small indeed. You seriously are starting to bore me with this runaround shit.




DomKen -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 11:06:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

From here it looks like defamation by libel, actionable per se (that is without any harm or loss having been incurred) and Breitbart certainly knew or ought to have known that the publication might have a damaging effect on the person featured regardless of any intention for it have been about the organisation.

He might have had a defence in that he was merely reproducing someone else's publication except that he edited it to such an extent that on any reasonable analysis it became a distinct piece - something also supported by the purposeful edit to establish the point he wished to make against the organisation.

Exemplary damages + plaintiff's costs.

Next case

E


She is a public official. Almost impossible to win a libel suit.

She has to prove both significant damages and malice. From the very first posting he made it clear that he was not accusing her of being racist, that he was critical of the reaction of the crowd.

She will lose or get a token settlement to save legal fees.

Read the placards he inserted at the beginning of the video. That's proof of actual malice.

Defamation against a public person is almost impossible to win in the US but Breitbart better settle this one.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 2:17:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife


And the Bush administration pulled the exact same "hissy fit" with the New York Times.



ORLY? Link?




rulemylife -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 4:30:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife


And the Bush administration pulled the exact same "hissy fit" with the New York Times.



ORLY? Link?


Is it really that difficult for you to type out the word instead of these childish abbreviations?

Will Bush Indict The NY Times

Bush, Cheney Rebuke NY Times





willbeurdaddy -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 5:00:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife


And the Bush administration pulled the exact same "hissy fit" with the New York Times.



ORLY? Link?


Is it really that difficult for you to type out the word instead of these childish abbreviations?

Will Bush Indict The NY Times

Bush, Cheney Rebuke NY Times




Typical. Equate a national security issue with whining about criticism. YFAM.




Owner59 -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 6:03:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

That makes for very easy reading.


Could everyone please automatically change all font size to 6.

I could put down my cheaters and relax my eyes
. [:D]




Lucylastic -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 6:10:39 PM)

Im glad im nto the only one who enjoyed it





truckinslave -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 6:21:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Im glad im nto the only one who enjoyed it




How deeply???[:D]




thornhappy -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 6:51:52 PM)

Now, that's a real Fair and Balanced source!  Without a doubt.
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave


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ORIGINAL: Louve00

Well, thats true too.  In fact, thanks to media getting the untruths sorted and reported right, her retribution is already turning to a good karma for her.  (But if it were me, I'd want cold hard cash! LOL)


I commented in another post in another thread that Andy always seems to have another video.

There are rumblings that this story may go far deeper than the Sherrod supporters imagine.

Some of these rumblings can be found here, in a piece by Jack Cashill.

Shirley may not be quite the postracial naif she portrays, and she may not be ready for the next move in this piece.
My money is on AB.




thornhappy -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 6:53:47 PM)

But you can't trust law professors, remember?

BTW, are you saying your sources are from God?  You've published articles by folks who say right up that they're conservative.
quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

First off, William A. Jacobsen is a conservative....A real piece of work.


He is a professor of law at Cornell. To try to defame him you do not even attack an article to which he casually linked. You cherrypick the entire site to which he linked in your efforts to find something you consider objectionable.
Congratulations!! You've reached a new low in the annals of strawmandom.
Being a conservative doesn't make one a "real pice of work". Meaningless and deceptive tactics, well, sure.

Your opinions will mean nothing to me unless you convince me your source is God.




thornhappy -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 7:44:49 PM)

Slate ran a few articles on Breitbart recently.  One of them's a 4-pager, and gives some insights into his background and approaches.

"For Breitbart, bringing down the mainstream media isn't just a crusade. It's practically a civil rights issue—only more fun. He considers himself a journalist-slash-entertainer, an Edward R. Murrow by way of the Merry Pranksters. What makes him different is that he's offensive in every sense of the word. "My entire business model is to go on offense," he said. "They don't like our aggressiveness." He knows how he's seen by the liberal establishment. "They want to portray me as crazy, unhinged, unbalanced. OK, good, fine. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you."

As media criticism, it's not subtle. But then, neither is Andrew Breitbart. As a six-word corporate motto, however—a kind of elevator pitch for the whole Breitbart enterprise—it is genius. As long as his message is getting through, Breitbart doesn't care if you think he's an asshole. Assholes get attention.

...The advantage of coming from the left, however, is that Breitbart knows the left, which enables him to use the left's language and tropes against it. Rachel Maddow isn't just wrong. "She believes in a poststructural model in which she's a lesbian progressive activist first and an American fifth, sixth." Maureen Dowd doesn't just make fun of Dick Cheney. She creates a "Republican other." Eric Boehlert doesn't just falsely misrepresent Breitbart's views. "He takes text and deconstructs it and then makes false accusations based upon the most ridiculous readings." I asked Breitbart whether the appropriation is intentional. "I'm saying that with a grain of irony," he said. "You gave me these tools, I'm going to use them back against you."


Meanwhile, he and O'Keefe explicitly acknowledge their debt to Chicago activist and community organizer Saul Alinsky. O'Keefe told the New York Post in September that he had been inspired by Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, particularly the lesson that "ridicule is man's most potent weapon." He said he wanted to expose the "absurdities of the enemy by employing their own rules and language." That could mean testing the limits of ACORN's willingness to help unsavory characters get loans. Or it could be as simple as pointing out that Max Blumenthal has a booger hanging from his nose.


The willingness to be ridiculous is something Breitbart has on his critics. When Media Matters finds a discrepancy in one of Breitbart's stories, it calls him out for breach of journalistic ethics. "He's a pathological liar," Boehlert says. "These people are almost incapable of telling the truth." When Breitbart finds an error, he trots out Retracto, the Correction Alpaca.


Another advantage is Breitbart's readiness to go to the mat over minutiae. Most public figures, when facing an attack on their integrity, make a mental calculation. Do I respond and dignify the attacker? Or do I let it go? Breitbart always fires back—sometimes unnecessarily. "Just because you can retweet everything about yourself and every inch of your scorched earth crusade doesn't mean you should," said Breitbart acquaintance and Mother Jones Washington bureau chief David Corn."
I saw an interview of him where he look a bit flustered and seemed to retreat to one line about "all media is in context".  And later read of him telling a reporter that when he gets stuck, he just brings everything back to that line.  An interviewer who lets that go on for long (that goes for anyone who repeats themselves, not answering a question) should just keep leaning on them or at least do some kind of followup questioning.  (At least the BBC gets a bit pointed with people, whereas NPR frequently lets really stupid remarks go uncontested.)




truckinslave -> RE: Shirley Sherrod To Sue Cocksucker Over Edited Video (7/30/2010 7:54:21 PM)

Using Slate to establish someones partisanship, and Media Matters calling someone a liar- all in one post.
Great stuff.




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