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E3 -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 11:05:47 AM)

Even though the publicly released military doccuments about this guy say he is being treated innocent durring the investigation, it sounds as if fanatical american extreemists have already decided teh guy is guilty of betrying a government that has betrayed its people.

I wonder how that works.. a person being a bad guy for betraying something that has betrayed everyone.




thompsonx -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 2:12:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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So this is your way of saying that you do not know?

No. It's my way of saying:
1. You used them as though they were interchangeable, and
2. They are not


If you could explane the difference you would have...so far you have not.




VideoAdminTheta -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 2:32:36 PM)

You all are keeping me rather busy today. Thank you for the lessons 101 in admin training. Yet you are pushing the limits on another thread and I advise you all to refrain. Don't make me email you.




thompsonx -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 4:12:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminTheta

You all are keeping me rather busy today. Thank you for the lessons 101 in admin training. Yet you are pushing the limits on another thread and I advise you all to refrain. Don't make me email you.



Anyone who thinks that chocolate ice cream and good sex go together is someone I need an email from.




Owner59 -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 4:28:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: E3

Even though the publicly released military doccuments about this guy say he is being treated innocent durring the investigation, it sounds as if fanatical american extreemists have already decided teh guy is guilty of betrying a government that has betrayed its people.

I wonder how that works.. a person being a bad guy for betraying something that has betrayed everyone.


Well, there`s two courts.

The court of law and the court of public opinion.

For this traitor,there`s a third,a military court.

The same one cheney should have faced.

I don`t care if the retard thought he was doing good,blowing whistles or saving bambi.

He didn`t reveal anything new or game-changing.Everything was already old news.

What he did do was give out info that could help the jihadis target NATO troopsin real time.



God help that ass-hat do-gooder wanna be if a GI gets hurt or killed from the document release.




truckinslave -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 4:48:31 PM)

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If you could explane the difference you would have...so far you have not.


If I explain it to you, you'll argue with the answer and then forget it.
If you look it up for yourself you will both accept it and remember it.




thompsonx -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 5:54:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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If you could explane the difference you would have...so far you have not.


If I explain it to you, you'll argue with the answer and then forget it.
If you look it up for yourself you will both accept it and remember it.



Once again opinion unsubstantiated by fact




thompsonx -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 5:56:33 PM)

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What he did do was give out info that could help the jihadis target NATO troopsin real time.


Really???what info was that?




Owner59 -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 6:38:54 PM)

I`m going by what the Pentagon said.

I also listened to a BBC reporter who was the BBC`s Afghanistan/Pakistan expert.They(and other news outlets) got the docs before they were made public.

He pretty much said what the Pentagon spokesman said.That the info was between a year and half old and 5 years old.

That the info was old and not really relevant today.But there was info in there that our enemy's can glean intel from and use against our troops.

He also said there was a lot known planted mis-information that`s been tagged as such and a lot of nothing as well.




thompsonx -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 6:51:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I`m going by what the Pentagon said.

I also listened to a BBC reporter who was the BBC`s Afghanistan/Pakistan expert.They(and other news outlets) got the docs before they were made public.

He pretty much said what the Pentagon spokesman said.That the info was between a year and half old and 5 years old.

That the info was old and not really relevant today.But there was info in there that our enemy's can glean intel from and use against our troops.


If "the info is old and not really relevant today" then how can there be "info in there that our enemy's can glean intel from and use against our troops."
That statement on the face of it is self contradictory



He also said there was a lot known planted mis-information that`s been tagged as such and a lot of nothing as well.






truckinslave -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 7:59:58 PM)

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Once again opinion unsubstantiated by fact

Call the mods!!!!
Someone expressed an opinion as an opinion!!!!!!!!!!!1
Chill, dude; you're just being silly.




thornhappy -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 8:12:59 PM)

Hey, you forgot the alligators!

back to the OP... If that material was classified and he publicized it, then he's guilty of violating a law.  Doesn't matter what our opinion is of the need for it, or not.
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ORIGINAL: cuckyman

The country has been witness to the drone of a lying spin machine media....a government out of control and drunk with power.... that has proven itself to be nothing more than totally inept at doing anything right but spending tax dollars like a bunch of drunken sailors on shore leave.... November comes and the dismissal of the democrat congress is the first step to bring this government down... Obama's legecy will be to be the first aniti-American President to ever hold office, and he will take his rightful place alongside Jimmy Carter as the most inept and lame turd to ever being elected...

This nation is about one thing.... freedom... something the democrat socialist loathe and fear the most.... but once unleashed, this movement will sweep these socialist turds out for good.... The November elections are now less than 100 days away, and the demopukes are busy crossing the land spinning their lies and yelling in unison.... too stupid to realize that a child can see thru their willingness to do or say anything to hold power.... for in the end, its all about them having power.... and that power is out of juice.... out of credibility....and out of time..... These turds are the last of the 60's radicals and their 'revolution' has been exposed for what it is..... communism...pure and simple..... and it is going to end...either by the ballot....or by the gun....either way, their reign is OVER!

Only then will we return to being the place for the world to see how a free society is the only way to a future that will provide the means for us all to prosper and realize the dream of social and economic freedom..... and that does not include a suffocating, bloated, and incomptent government that has spent this nation into record debt and the most challenging time in our history..... we will win.... and those that doubt that will show themselves to be the fools that they truely are...... for real....the last resort is to yell 'Racism'!! ...but that dog is dead...and dead dogs just don't hunt bitches...... bring on November....ahhhhh.... cooler weather....democrats being thrown out on their lying asses, and football..... just doesn't get any better than that!!






popeye1250 -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 9:24:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Uhhhhhhhhh, cuck.  People up north have guns too.  This is America.


Yeah Cuck, you ever been up to New Hampshire or Maine? They carry guns on their hips in public there.




SorceressJ -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/30/2010 9:28:24 PM)

*lived in both Maine -and- Nude Hampster. Witnessing for popeye, rock on*




thompsonx -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/31/2010 7:09:00 PM)

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back to the OP... If that material was classified and he publicized it, then he's guilty of violating a law. Doesn't matter what our opinion is of the need for it, or not.


Two names come to mind tokyo rose and daniel elsberg.




E3 -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/31/2010 7:15:53 PM)

I had a thought.
Yes the man broke a law by revealing classified doccuments.

BUT is a law that protects tyrany, hides the governments actions from its people, and used to control the flow of information.. a law that you NEED?

What is more important... obeying the letter of the law like good sheep... OR instead remaining true to the founding ideals of your country when your government fails to? I DO believe those 3 things I listed are things that were considered big issues by your nations founding fathers and were major points in all the early doccuments, were they not?  Anyone able to tell me if I am wrong?




thornhappy -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/31/2010 9:34:17 PM)

So you would release all classified documents the government has?




E3 -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (7/31/2010 11:05:13 PM)

Therein is a problem. Yes I acknowledge there need to be some secrets.  BUT do those secrets need to be the government abusing its power?

There is no real way to pick and choose "This can be secret, that cant be".  Its just an unrealistic goal.  BUT should a government not be held responsible for breaches of human rights, abuses of power, war crimes etcettera, that might be hidden in such classified doccuments?  If it isnt public, is it still a crime?

OR are breaches of human rights, abuse of power, and war crimes charges something that can only be levied on the defeated after a war, and not on the triumphant, even if deserved?




thompsonx -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (8/1/2010 10:28:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

So you would release all classified documents the government has?


I am curious as to what needs to be classified?




Moonhead -> RE: Letter to an American Hero (8/2/2010 5:05:25 AM)

The liberal plot to put a marxist Kenyyan in the white house by smearing Sarah Palin, obviously.




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