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AnimusRex -> Wikileaks Insurance File (8/1/2010 3:12:29 PM)
From http://www.antemedius.com/content/wikileaks-posts-insurance-policy It seems that Wikileaks has posted a massive (1.4 GB, 10x larger than all the other files on the page combined) heavily encrypted file on it's dedicated "Afghan War Diary" page labeled simply "Insurance". The Daily Beast is reporting the Pentagon has a manhunt currently underway for Wikileaks' founder Julian Assange. Investigators from the Pentagon are flocking out and "are desperately searching" for the white-haired sage of openness and accountability. The US is apparently convinced that whistleblower Bradley Manning, who was arrested two weeks ago, did indeed hand over 260,000 US diplomatic cables concerning the Middle East over to Wikileaks.... The US intelligence apparatus is currently trying to figure out how to come to terms with Wikileaks. A counterintelligence report called the site "a potential force protection, counterintelligence, operational security (OPSEC, and information security(INFOSEC) threat to the US Army". It recommended “the identification, exposure, termination of employment, criminal prosecution, legal action against current or former insiders, leakers, or whistleblowers could potentially damage or destroy this centre of gravity and deter others considering similar actions from using the Wikileaks.org web site". As Wired puts it, Cryptome, a separate secret-spilling site, has speculated that the new file added days later may have been posted as insurance in case something happens to the WikiLeaks website or to the organization’s founder, Julian Assange. In either scenario, WikiLeaks volunteers, under a prearranged agreement with Assange, could send out a password or passphrase to allow anyone who has downloaded the file to open it. It’s not known what the file contains but it could include the balance of data that U.S. Army intelligence analyst Bradley Manning claimed to have leaked to Assange before he was arrested in May. It would seem that the only way "Insurance" will work is if many, many, many people download that particular file and save it for a rainy day, no??? Time for American Patriots to step up and do their duty- download the file and save it.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Wikileaks Insurance File (8/1/2010 4:37:04 PM)
The link at the bottom of the post is to some page at microsoft. The link for those interested is at the bottom of the page displayed if following the first link in the OP

FirmhandKY -> RE: Wikileaks Insurance File (8/1/2010 4:44:45 PM)
I suspect that Wikileaks was compromised and taken over by the BND, and is likely under their indirect (or direct) control. At least, I've read some interesting, and very leading reports and reasoning to the effect, to the point that I don't trust them any more. Firm

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Wikileaks Insurance File (8/1/2010 4:51:05 PM)
BND? Edited after trying to find out what BND stands, the only relavent reference was German intelligence service Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND). If it's true the German Government would still be composed of Fascist Fucks. I don't think that it is though, anyway, the only person I'd believe at this point is the founder. If he says it's not compromised, I'll take his word on it. If it is I will definitely hold whatever country that facilitated such an action on my permanent shit list, if the US government takes it down or arrests those that run wikileaks, they will have just fucked up royal hard... as every hacker, every person that believes in a free press, and presumably all that value the truth, will have a serious issue keeping anyone in office, when that occured. So, go for it, governments of the world, try keep your secrets hidden, by jailing those that expose nothing more than the truth of your actions, unfortunately for them, taking down wikileaks will only provoke others to do the same. It would be a terrible lapse of judgement IMO.

E3 -> RE: Wikileaks Insurance File (8/1/2010 4:56:38 PM)
Something to conisder in regards to Wikileaks being taken over by anyone.. If a person is spreading the truth you wish suppressed.. often the best form of combating them.. is to discredit them. Tear them apart in the minds and hearts of those who might have once listened to them, so your secrets they are revealing, perfectly true, are percieved as false. Did it happen in Wikileaks case? No idea. But claims of it being taken over and is now unreliable.. take with a grain of salt. There would be much to gain by many, if we all took that claim as carved-in-stone-fact.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Wikileaks Insurance File (8/1/2010 7:36:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: E3 Something to conisder in regards to Wikileaks being taken over by anyone.. If a person is spreading the truth you wish suppressed.. often the best form of combating them.. is to discredit them. Tear them apart in the minds and hearts of those who might have once listened to them, so your secrets they are revealing, perfectly true, are percieved as false. Did it happen in Wikileaks case? No idea. But claims of it being taken over and is now unreliable.. take with a grain of salt. There would be much to gain by many, if we all took that claim as carved-in-stone-fact. And sometimes, the best way to "control the message" is to take over and "manage" an organization which reputably opposes you. I don't know. I doubt it's something that can be proved either way, right now. However, the history of Wikileaks and their relationship with the BND is a bit checkered, but all of a sudden, everything is "ok" between them. A couple of historical links, from the Google cache of Wikileaks (because, by golly, it's down right now): How German intelligence infiltrated Focus magazine August 11, 2008 German spy chief threatens Wikileaks December 19, 2008 And the last article I found about the strange relationship and goings on between the two ... The Strange Career of WikiLeaks Twists and turns. BY John Rosenthal April 29, 2010 12:00 AM I don't think that it's good thinking to put your full, uncritical trust in any source. In this case, for or against wikileaks. That grain of salt needs to swing both ways. Firm

E3 -> RE: Wikileaks Insurance File (8/1/2010 7:39:20 PM)
Oh I fully agree. And thanks for the articles. Research is a skill that not everyone has. Its one that school systems expect people to have, but fail to teach. I.. never gained it. So little tid bits of info like yours are appreciated.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Wikileaks Insurance File (8/1/2010 8:29:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: E3 Something to conisder in regards to Wikileaks being taken over by anyone.. If a person is spreading the truth you wish suppressed.. often the best form of combating them.. is to discredit them. Tear them apart in the minds and hearts of those who might have once listened to them, so your secrets they are revealing, perfectly true, are percieved as false. Did it happen in Wikileaks case? No idea. But claims of it being taken over and is now unreliable.. take with a grain of salt. There would be much to gain by many, if we all took that claim as carved-in-stone-fact. And sometimes, the best way to "control the message" is to take over and "manage" an organization which is reputably opposes you. I don't know. I doubt it's something that can be proved either way, right now. However, the history of Wikileaks and their relationship with the BND is a bit checkered, but all of a sudden, everything is "ok" between them. A couple of historical links, from the Google cache of Wikileaks (because, by golly, it's down right now): How German intelligence infiltrated Focus magazine August 11, 2008 German spy chief threatens Wikileaks December 19, 2008 And the last article I found about the strange relationship and goings on between the two ... The Strange Career of WikiLeaks Twists and turns. BY John Rosenthal April 29, 2010 12:00 AM I don't think that it's good thinking to put your full, uncritical trust in any source. In this case, for or against wikileaks. That grain of salt needs to swing both ways. Firm Worked for me at the original no cache required. http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/German_spy_chief_threatens_Wikileaks http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/How_German_intelligence_infiltrated_Focus_magazine Also in the last article, well I don't know if it was accurate as of the date of writing, but there are more than 12 documents in the archive as that article stated, and I checked on the official wikileak.org for several of the "missing" articles stated in the last link you gave and they are there. http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama's_Chilling_Crew:_The_legal_harassment_of_those_investigating_Tony_Rezko http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Fitna Your link says this was not there either. quote: Perhaps the biggest genuine scoop produced by the old WikiLeaks involved the publication in November 2008 of what was identified as a list of IP address ranges assigned by the German telecommunications giant Deutsche Telekom to the German foreign intelligence service, the BND, under a disguised domain name. The authenticity of the document was inadvertently confirmed by Deutsche Telekom, when its T-Systems division sent an e-mail to WikiLeaks claiming the document as its property and requesting that it be deleted. http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/German_Secret_Intelligence_Service_(BND)_T-Systems_network_assignments,_13_Nov_2008 http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Schaefer_report_missing_pages_on_BND_contacts_with_journalist_Josef_Hufelschulte_2006 http://file.wikileaks.org/file/bnd-correspondence.txt Anyway, I think that is every file the last link you provided stated were "missing" from the wikileaks.org site, after they relaunched. The last article you provided is 90% in error as of present, and the remaining portion is speculation.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Wikileaks Insurance File (8/1/2010 9:19:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou Anyway, I think that is every file the last link you provided stated were "missing" from the wikileaks.org site, after they relaunched. The last article you provided is 90% in error as of present, and the remaining portion is speculation. You are certainly welcome to trust anyone you wish to. Being naive isn't a crime. Just dangerous. Firm

NeedToUseYou -> RE: Wikileaks Insurance File (8/1/2010 10:06:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou Anyway, I think that is every file the last link you provided stated were "missing" from the wikileaks.org site, after they relaunched. The last article you provided is 90% in error as of present, and the remaining portion is speculation. You are certainly welcome to trust anyone you wish to. Being naive isn't a crime. Just dangerous. Firm I'm not being naive, just informing you that the article you referenced is in error as of present concerning the "missing" content on the wikileaks site, which is what the article you referenced bases most of it's conclusions upon. As in the articles are on the site, as opposed to not being there. Simple stuff here, no naivety required. Your welcome.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Wikileaks Insurance File (8/1/2010 11:10:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou Anyway, I think that is every file the last link you provided stated were "missing" from the wikileaks.org site, after they relaunched. The last article you provided is 90% in error as of present, and the remaining portion is speculation. You are certainly welcome to trust anyone you wish to. Being naive isn't a crime. Just dangerous. I'm not being naive, just informing you that the article you referenced is in error as of present concerning the "missing" content on the wikileaks site, which is what the article you referenced bases most of it's conclusions upon. As in the articles are on the site, as opposed to not being there. Simple stuff here, no naivety required. Your welcome. You took a small portion of a 4 month old article out of context (then claim it's "90% wrong"), didn't even address the author's main points, and then claim that somehow I'm wrong - without seeming to even know what my point was? Ok. Fine with me. Have at it. Firm

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