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mischievous subbies - 3/22/2004 3:17:33 PM   
CoolScentDomme


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I love My subbie's silliness,and I like the fact that he can be a bit mischievous at times.But he knows there is a time and place for everything.We live together so I know it's not a 24/7 act.
I have seen some subs male/ female on line that are I would venture to say are beyond mischievous.
My question is this....
1} why do their Dom/mes all ow this to happen?
2} do they do it because they are collared and can get away with it?
3} how are they punished for it?

MissCSD

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/22/2004 4:09:16 PM   
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I think that some subbies get a kick out of being mischievious and seeing what they can and cant get away with. Who really knows why they do it. The same with bratty subs. Why are they brats? Some would think a collared slave knows 'better. So why intentionally trigger punishments?
I dont think Dom/mes allow it to happen, since a mischievious sub wont let it be known they are up to no good. But once its out in the open, and the Dom/me doesnt put a stop the behavior, then I feel that the Dominant is just as much as fault. As far as punishments go, there are so many who knows where to begin, but as most say, let the punishment fit the crime.


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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/22/2004 4:17:47 PM   
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CoolScentDomme,

Are You familiar with the term Smart Ass Masochist? aka SAM?

i think there are some subs that act up to either "test" their Dom/me, and/or they truly enjoy being punished. (not that i'm speaking from experience or anything! but check out the "consumption of urine" thread under health and safety and You'll see what i mean!)

Good luck!

~rain~

PS. Voltare provided a couple of helpful hints to cure bratty behavior, check the thread i mentioned above.

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/22/2004 5:47:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CoolScentDomme

I love My subbie,and I like the fact that he can be a bit mischievous at times.But he knows there is a time and place for everything.We live together so I know it's not a 24/7 act.
I have seen some subs male/ female on line that are I would venture to say are beyond mischievous.
My question is this....
1} why do their Dom/mes all ow this to happen?
2} do they do it because they are collared and can get away with it?
3} how are they punished for it?

MissCSD


CoolScentDomme,

Just my opinion here, but I think often that kind of acting out is a cry for attention. By acting up they open the door for more play. Most of the subbies I have known are attention sluts.

So by acting up and getting caught they get more attention. Kids do it, puppies and dogs do it, and so, it seems, do subbies. To some any kind of attention is better than no attention.

Punishments? Depends on the offense. And it depends how far out of line, and if the sub/slave through their behavior have actually offended their Dom/Domme/Master/Mistress.

Peace and Light
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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/22/2004 5:55:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CoolScentDomme

I love My subbie,and I like the fact that he can be a bit mischievous at times.But he knows there is a time and place for everything.We live together so I know it's not a 24/7 act.
I have seen some subs male/ female on line that are I would venture to say are beyond mischievous.
My question is this....
1} why do their Dom/mes all ow this to happen?
2} do they do it because they are collared and can get away with it?
3} how are they punished for it?

MissCSD


I can't talk for others. I can tell you about me. Depending on the circumstance I am told to act a certain way. I run a BDSM group. My Dom tells me I am in total control of everything that happens within it. That also means, if someone is being unsafe..etc..etc I have to figuratively smack them.
Because of his orders. We get a lot of "can't you control your sub? or why don't you ever control your sub?" Of course he never answers them.
They don't know the inner workings of our relationship. I am submissive to no one other than him. I feel it cheapens the relationship. Apparently he feels the same way. Even the few times we have played with others I have never been told to submit to anyone other than my Dom.
So to answer your question...maybe they are doing it because of being ordered to.
Yet that is only one person speaking. I'm sure some are doing it just because.

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/22/2004 8:43:03 PM   
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Ok talk about taking something way out of context.As stated I like My subbie the way he is.I do not want him to change.it is not a cry for attention.We like to goof around.It's ones that take everything so serious that I think are boring, and have NO fun with their subs.My point was the net subs and their actions.I do not compare My sub to a puppy

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/23/2004 12:20:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CoolScentDomme

Ok talk about taking something way out of context.As stated I like My subbie the way he is.I do not want him to change.it is not a cry for attention.We like to goof around.It's ones that take everything so serious that I think are boring, and have NO fun with their subs.My point was the net subs and their actions.I do not compare My sub to a puppy



Since you replied to my post I am going to assume you were replying to what I said.
Can you tell me exactly how I took your question out of context?
I merely answered it. I also said this is how I am. Not your submissive.
Nobody said anything about your submissive.


These were the original questions.
I have seen some subs male/ female on line that are I would venture to say are beyond mischievous.
My question is this....
1} why do their Dom/mes all ow this to happen?
2} do they do it because they are collared and can get away with it?
3} how are they punished for it?


I told you the way my Dom handles me. The way I act..because I am ordered to. Yet all who see and meet me may not realize that. Which..went back to the original question.
I don't see anywhere anyplace referring to the word puppy.

So, clarification is needed if you were replying to me. It totally went over my head.
I see no reason for the hostility. Nobody attacked you.

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/23/2004 12:45:18 PM   
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hi Gloria,

If you read all the posts then click reply, it automatically places the last person to have replied as who you are replying too. I am guilty of often reading all the responses, then forming a reply that may take aspects of more than one post into consideration.

The *puppy* comment was to Shadow. He said:

quote:

So by acting up and getting caught they get more attention. Kids do it, puppies and dogs do it, and so, it seems, do subbies


Since I am not a subbie or a child, I chose to ignore it. Cool took offense as someone who has a submissive not a slave since she doesn't like the comparison. If I were a submissive or a dominant of a submissive, I probably would take offense to me/them being compared to a child or puppy.

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/23/2004 1:24:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CoolScentDomme

Ok talk about taking something way out of context.As stated I like My subbie the way he is.I do not want him to change.it is not a cry for attention.We like to goof around.It's ones that take everything so serious that I think are boring, and have NO fun with their subs.My point was the net subs and their actions.I do not compare My sub to a puppy


Took something out of context? You asked a question. I gave you my opinion. It wasn't out of context. Your questions were:

quote:


1} why do their Dom/mes all ow this to happen?
2} do they do it because they are collared and can get away with it?
3} how are they punished for it?


I mostly addressed the second question... which asked "Why" do they do it. I don't recall suggesting that you change your sub in any way. You asked why OTHERS act up. I gave a possible explanation. I referenced the same behavior in others that seek attention. I was NOT comparing your sub with a puppy. As for your statement about finding the relationships between other Doms/Dommes/Masters/Mistresses and their subs/slaves boring....I am damn sure they couldn't give a rats ass as to whether or not their relationship is entertaining or fulfilling to you. I can say that the fact that someone outside of my relationship might be bored with MY relationship is NOT a factor that I give a lot of consideration as I conduct my part in said relationship. Just a thought.

Terry

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/23/2004 1:32:57 PM   
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In most mainstream D/s environs someone who is a collared submissive or slave is proclaiming that they are submissive or slave to AN individual. Period. Their status as a submissive or slave says absolutely nothing about their status relative to you. Because of this, you should disregard the fact that they are collared and interact with them just as you would interact with any other human. Some will be courteous, and charming, and intelligent, and thoughtful, while others will be insolent or argumentative, or confrontational, or otherwise a pain in the ass. You will like some of them, and others you won't.

Some doms are actually proud of the way that their subs behave in an arrogant or dismissive fashion toward anyone other than them. Others are quite "pussywhipped" by their sub, and so will always rush to defend them in any dispute, regardless of circumstance. Be aware of that, and just ignore the subs or slave who seem agressive or beligerant. They are that way because they are encouraged to be, I assure you. It's just something that you learn to shrug off if you've been around the life for very long.

You will often find, in online venues, that the subs actually control the interaction and the culture of the group. If the subs take offense to someone's behavior or opinion, you will see every dominant in the place rushing to take their side. Can't have the subs upset. The subs are, afterall, the main attraction. If you don't like this kind of environment, there are, fortunately, many many venues online. Just look around until you find one where the culture suits you.

There are a couple of exceptions to the above. In Old Guard type settings, someone wearing a collar is a slave. Bottoms and subs are not given and do not wear collars. In these environments (which are rare anymore) you, as a dominant, wouldn't interact with a collared slave at all except in their master's presence, or if you were a friend, with his prior approval. If something the slave said or did offended you, it would be considered correct ettiquite not to address it with the slave at all, but to bring it to their master's attention.

In Gorean settings (not to be confused with online role-play Gor), slavery (and free status) is a social condition that isn't narrowly defined by the relationship between owner and owned. In the most strictly traditional Gorean groups, a slave is expected to behave as a slave toward every free man or woman who has been accepted as such by the group. Depending on how traditional the group, you may have every right to disicpline the slave on the spot if he or she displeases you. The slave in question would probably be in for it again when their master or mistress found out that they had been found displeasing. In these groups, the pleasure of the free is sacrosanct. You would never find yourself having to explain why you were displeased with the slave. The fact that you were displeased would be enough. Of course, if you proved yourself to be an unreasonable asshole consistantly enough, you might just find yourself being invited to leave by the other free men and women of the group.

Probably more than you wanted to know.

Take care of yourself.

Leonidas

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/25/2004 8:50:09 AM   
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quote:

I love My subbie's silliness,and I like the fact that he can be a bit mischievous at times.But he knows there is a time and place for everything.We live together so I know it's not a 24/7 act.
I have seen some subs male/ female on line that are I would venture to say are beyond mischievous.
My question is this....
1} why do their Dom/mes all ow this to happen?
2} do they do it because they are collared and can get away with it?
3} how are they punished for it?


i am so glad You brought this up. i am very playful and love to tease and joke around but it is always done with respect. Because my sense of humor is kinda off my playfulness is sometimes but not often taken as disrespectful. On the rare occasion that, that happens i feel awful and am quick to appoligize.
It makes me sick to see submissives in chat rooms throwing water balloons or pies at the Dom/mes in the room or bragging about how bratty they can be. To me the way i act is a direct reflection on my Master. That is not what my goal as a submissive is. my goal is to behave in a way that makes Master proud of me. of Your 3 questions i honestly can't answer any of them except to say that as punishment for reflecting poorly on Master i would not be spanked. i'm thinking i would be ignored for a period of time. Spankings in this house are only given as rewards

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/25/2004 1:59:41 PM   
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quote:

Some doms are actually proud of the way that their subs behave in an arrogant or dismissive fashion toward anyone other than them. Others are quite "pussywhipped" by their sub, and so will always rush to defend them in any dispute, regardless of circumstance. Be aware of that, and just ignore the subs or slave who seem agressive or beligerant. They are that way because they are encouraged to be, I assure you. It's just something that you learn to shrug off if you've been around the life for very long.


Thank you for stating this Sir. I've always been told that a sub's behavior is a reflection of their Master. However, I have never heard of a Dom wanting their sub/slave to be direspectful and arrogent. Every Dom I have ever talked to or met has wanted to be seen as respectful, classy, in control, etc. So thank you for shedding some light for me. I don't understand why someone would want to be looked at negatively. Do you have an explanation for that? I'd really like to understand it.

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/25/2004 4:10:03 PM   
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My opinion (and it's just an opinion based on watching for a while) is that the dominants who take pride in their sub being arrogant, dismissive, overly agressive or assertive do so because they're proud of being the one and only somebody to whom the (son of a) bitch answers. In other words, they think that it is somehow a greater proof of their dominance that someone like that would submit to them. As for the pussywhipped type, well, pussywhipped is pussywhipped wherever you go, whether it's in this world or the vanilla world. The dom isn't going to correct their sweetiepoopums in public because they don't want to run the risk of the sub withdrawing their precious gift of submission, which the sub most likely holds like a Sword of Damocles over said pussywhipped dom's head.

Take care of yourself

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/25/2004 5:28:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

My opinion (and it's just an opinion based on watching for a while) is that the dominants who take pride in their sub being arrogant, dismissive, overly agressive or assertive do so because they're proud of being the one and only somebody to whom the (son of a) bitch answers. In other words, they think that it is somehow a greater proof of their dominance that someone like that would submit to them. As for the pussywhipped type, well, pussywhipped is pussywhipped wherever you go, whether it's in this world or the vanilla world. The dom isn't going to correct their sweetiepoopums in public because they don't want to run the risk of the sub withdrawing their precious gift of submission, which the sub most likely holds like a Sword of Damocles over said pussywhipped dom's head.

Take care of yourself

Leonidas


Hey Leonidas..wanna come to one of my munches? I'd love to see faces drop when you gave that speech to the ones who ask my Dom to control me.

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/25/2004 6:13:29 PM   
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Respected Posters,

I love to be a bit fiesty,but only with a Master and with "enough respect" to show that I'm just being playful I wouldn't dream of that type of behavoir in public or where my master would be embarrassed or ashamed of me. I think there is a need to teach these slaves that this will have it's own consequenses.Perhaps lack of attention would make them notice. (for really bad behavoir) Perhaps this would make them realize just how serious you are as a Domme. Just a suggestion..Mistress. Best Wishes

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/25/2004 6:29:48 PM   
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I'll say this: I've been beaten and I've been ignored. It hurt a lot more to be ignored. At least for me.

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/25/2004 6:30:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Leonidas

...There are a couple of exceptions to the above. In Old Guard type settings, someone wearing a collar is a slave. Bottoms and subs are not given and do not wear collars. In these environments (which are rare anymore) you, as a dominant, wouldn't interact with a collared slave at all except in their master's presence, or if you were a friend, with his prior approval. If something the slave said or did offended you, it would be considered correct ettiquite not to address it with the slave at all, but to bring it to their master's attention.

In Gorean settings (not to be confused with online role-play Gor), slavery (and free status) is a social condition that isn't narrowly defined by the relationship between owner and owned. In the most strictly traditional Gorean groups, a slave is expected to behave as a slave toward every free man or woman who has been accepted as such by the group. Depending on how traditional the group, you may have every right to disicpline the slave on the spot if he or she displeases you. The slave in question would probably be in for it again when their master or mistress found out that they had been found displeasing. In these groups, the pleasure of the free is sacrosanct. You would never find yourself having to explain why you were displeased with the slave. The fact that you were displeased would be enough. Of course, if you proved yourself to be an unreasonable asshole consistantly enough, you might just find yourself being invited to leave by the other free men and women of the group.

Probably more than you wanted to know....


Actually, no, this is great Leonides, concise and informative. My relationship with my Dom is according to his rules alone, but others' formalities interest me as well. Thanks.

danae

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RE: mischievous subbies - 3/30/2004 4:48:24 PM   
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Mistress, is there a difference between mischievous and impertinent?

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RE: mischievous subbies - 12/28/2010 5:30:34 PM   
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If you truely want to know, you'll haveto ask them. None of us know the why's orhows of some strangers relationship.

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RE: mischievous subbies - 12/28/2010 5:34:18 PM   
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Firstly op, what you think of as silly someone else would consider beyond the pale. What you think of as intolerable is perfect fun to someone else.

Secondly, most of us are not permitted to submit to every dude or dudette on the net who says they're dominant. I'm supposed to stand my ground with others because I'm submissive to one. And last I looked, honeychild, you aren't him.

Edit: What a surprise (not) to see you've hidden your profile and other posts. As well as your age. You act very, very young. Do you really think that just because you claim to be dominant that you have the right to order around people old enough to be your parents? If so, next time your mother gets your father his coffee, why don't you try ordering her around? Since after all, you're a big D and therefore can control everyone else.

Will Rogers said that when you get to thinking you're somebody special, you should try ordering around someone else's dog. Same thing applies here.


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