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Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage is un... - 8/4/2010 2:38:05 PM   
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(CNN) -- A federal judge in California on Wednesday overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage, saying the voter-approved rule violated the constitutional rights of gays and lesbians.

The decision, issued by Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker in San Francisco, is an initial step in what will likely be a lengthy legal fight over California's Proposition 8, which defined marriage as a union between a man and a woman.

At stake in the trial was whether California's ban on same-sex marriage violated the constitutional rights to equal protection and due process of two gay couples that want to marry.

The case was watched closely by both supporters and opponents of same-sex marriage, as many say it is likely to wind its way up to the U.S. Supreme Court. If it does, the case could end in a landmark decision on whether people in the United States are allowed to marry people of the same sex.


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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/4/2010 2:47:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		The judge did not stay his ruling so he feels he is on very solid ground.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/4/2010 3:32:20 PM   
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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/4/2010 3:37:36 PM   
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Take that CA!!!!

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/4/2010 3:59:15 PM   
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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/4/2010 4:11:41 PM   
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"California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger also praised the ruling as an important step toward equality and freedom for all people."

Judge Walker is a republican.

"He was appointed by Ronald Reagan, but his nomination was held up for two years in part because of opposition from gay rights activists. As a lawyer, he helped the U.S. Olympic Committee sue a gay ex-Olympian who had created an athletic competition called the Gay Olympics."

quotes from: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100804/ap_on_re_us/us_gay_marriage_trial

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/4/2010 4:46:31 PM   
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Who would be so inclined to want a ball and chain.

The gay crowd tho wants to have it both ways.   Have a husband and whore around in the parks- it is contradictory- one should not think with the cock.  More to life then getting off.

But live and learn.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/4/2010 5:09:27 PM   
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You know as well as I do that there are long term dedicated gay and lesbian couples who do not whore around.  Just like there are hetrosexuals who whore around as much as they can.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/4/2010 5:25:42 PM   
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They have been a couple for 50 years, Im not sure the last time one of them went whoring in the park...altho the visual is hysterical.
not that they are in california mind you...


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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/4/2010 7:04:13 PM   
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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/4/2010 7:49:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne

*too busy flipping around with joy*

Take that CA!!!!


I am a citizen of California. We have many activists that have worked against the forces of bigotry and hatred against the LBGT community. I have signed petitions, bought tshirts against prop 8 when it was on the ballot, etc etc etc...

California has a culture war, the rural against the urban, the coast against the inland, the educated against the not-educated.... The sad thing is many minorities voted for prop 8 because of cultural bias against homosexuality. Latino voters voted for it, black voters voted for it, and since Obama's election got a lot of first time voters from minority communities, the aftermath was this proposition, even though most Californians are not anti gay rights.


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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:08:35 AM   
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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 2:20:04 AM   
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Gay people should have just as much a right to lose half their shit in a divorce as anyone else.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 4:23:52 AM   
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The pendulum swings both ways, my friends.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 4:42:33 AM   
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Walker temporarily stayed his order until Friday, giving Proposition 8 backers time to file appeals and seek a long-term stay. That decision would appear to delay any resumption of gay marriage in the state.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2012537083_samesex05.html?syndication=rss

I think even the Judge is seeking a Supreme Court ruling. By declaring the law unconstitutional, it seems that is where all this is heading.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 4:54:17 AM   
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So everyone is happy that one person can overrule the will of the majority of voters?

The pendulum swings both ways, my friends.



Not the majority of voters but the majority of those who voted.
You seem to be unhappy that the will of the majority of those who voted could not overule the constitution

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 4:58:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

So everyone is happy that one person can overrule the will of the majority of voters?

The pendulum swings both ways, my friends.


No. I think everyone is happy because the Constitution can overrule the will of a majority of voters.

Which is kind of the way I thought things were meant to work over there.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 5:01:48 AM   
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So everyone is happy that one person can overrule the will of the majority of voters?



One person appointed by a democratically elected official.
 
You want government by referendum - and this forum would vote for your public flogging.

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 5:57:55 AM   
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So everyone is happy that one person can overrule the will of the majority of voters?

The pendulum swings both ways, my friends.


Our Constitution guarantees the rights of the minority in the face of oppression or discrimination from the majority. Our Constitution (in a not so legal term) overrides ANY law created by a majority when it it's in direct conflict with the Constitution. Our Constitution guarantees "liberty" for all and in some kinda related document there's some phrases like "inalienable rights", "pursuit of happiness", and "all men created equal".

This judge wasn't "smashing" the majority vote, he was upholding the Constitution. What's your objection here?

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RE: Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage i... - 8/5/2010 6:21:35 AM   
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The gay crowd tho wants to have it both ways.   Have a husband and whore around in the parks- it is contradictory- one should not think with the cock.  More to life then getting off.

I'm detecting a certain bitterness here...

The thing I always find hilarious about this debate is the way that it's mostly the same demagogues who are constantly whining about the terrible promiscuity of gay men* and the terrible threat they pose to your nation's youth just by existing and having a timid itch for a bit of cock now and then who are also desperate to prevent gay marriage. Now maybe it's just me, but might these idiots be confusing the cause and the effect (at least to the tenous extent that anything they have to say bears any resemblance to reality)? That's a demand to have it both ways an order of magnitude or two greater than anything the glbt community wants, frankly.

*(It's always gay men these cretins spend their time whining about. Presumably as somewhat inhibited religious hypocrites, they're just as keen on lesbians as most other blokes.)

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