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AlwaysLisa -> Last I looked... (8/5/2010 8:56:34 PM)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100805/ap_on_go_ot/us_ap_univision_poll_hispanics_language_barriers

I read this and had to ask myself what country I lived in.   One of the examples hightlighted was a woman from El Salvador who was complaigning she had a hard time helping her kids with homework, because she doesn't speak english.  She has lived in this country 12 years.

I'm not a racist, but honestly...we are the only country that bends over backwards for people not speaking our given language.   When we took trips overseas, they didn't have menus in german and english. 

A few days ago I was waiting in line for stamps at the local post office and a field worker brought in a translator so he could converse with the postal employee.  The translator said, "the post office should provide translators"...to which the postal worker replied "english is our language, you need to learn it, just as I would be required to learn your language if I moved to your country".   There was a rousing applause from those of us in line.  

The president stated in his speech not long ago regarding immigration, that everyone needs to learn the language of this country, which is english.   I'm still waiting to see that happen.  I suppose the first step would be to not have government forms be in several languages!

Ok, enough of that...*curtsies*




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Last I looked... (8/5/2010 9:07:36 PM)

I agree. I believe reasonable accommodations should be made for people who are newly arrived, but at some point you need to learn the language to a functional level if you're going to live here.




peppermint -> RE: Last I looked... (8/5/2010 9:49:23 PM)

It's not unusual for immigrants to not learn English. It has been happening since immigrants came to this country. An example is my own grandmother. She came from what is now Slovakia. The steel barons promised the men good jobs paying lots of money if they would come here to work. Most men came without wives but needed a place to stay, meals, and clean clothes. My grandmother not only took care of her 10 children, she and my grandfather took in boarders, those men without wives. She worked 7 days a week from before daylight until after dark, cooking, cleaning, washing. There was no time for her to learn English. Fortunately for her, others from her country settled in the same area. The butcher, the doctor, the grocer all spoke her language.

I was a teenager when my grandfather passed away. I remember my mom teaching my grandmother to write her name, something she had not needed to know before his death. One difference from today is that she did not feel entitled to interpreters. Someone from the family did that, taking turns staying with her when she was in the hospital 24/7. I never talked with my grandmother. None of the grandchildren were taught Slovak. You see, my mother's generation felt ashamed that their parents were foreigners and wanted us to blend in with other children. I often wish it has not been so. We only saw a small bit of the heritage that was ours.

So I feel pulled both ways on the issue of learning English. I do understand how important is it. Yet I also understand that it's not easy for some. Some have little time for study. Others just don't have a talent for learning a foreign language when they are in their adult years. Many, such as my grandparents live in isolated pockets where there neighbors, the doctor, the butcher, and the grocer all speak their language. That makes is so very difficult.




mefisto69 -> RE: Last I looked... (8/6/2010 4:06:33 AM)

i agree with the Op and with peppermint. i'm bi-lingual and it irks me that newcomers are so slow to pick up english. That said, my grandparents came from Spain. My grandfather was FLUENT in 6 languages. Only used english to curse people out...... when they first got Boston, he had a hard time getting work - those lovely people called him a nigger because he was darker skinned than them.




curbisub -> RE: Last I looked... (8/6/2010 4:49:00 AM)

What I hate about that is, when I go to PNC(National City) & put my ATM card in the machine, I have to pick 1 of 8 Languages befor I even get to enter my pin number.




curbisub -> RE: Last I looked... (8/6/2010 4:53:29 AM)

If you want to live in any country, you need to learm their Language, NOT expect that whole country to learn yours.




Lucylastic -> RE: Last I looked... (8/6/2010 4:54:53 AM)

You arent the only place this happens, when I lived in the UK 20 years ago Social services offered pamphlets in 140 languages
Canada, we have huge populations who dont speak English or French, we also have translations to many other languages for forms and agencies.
I dont disagree about learning the native language of where you live, simply becasue it makes things simpler for you as the "immigrant"
But just to make some ignorant blow hards feel superior says more about them than it does about the non english speaker





DomImus -> RE: Last I looked... (8/6/2010 7:14:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AlwaysLisa
A few days ago I was waiting in line for stamps at the local post office and a field worker brought in a translator so he could converse with the postal employee.  The translator said, "the post office should provide translators"...to which the postal worker replied "english is our language, you need to learn it, just as I would be required to learn your language if I moved to your country".   There was a rousing applause from those of us in line.


The postal employee handled it quite well and quite diplomatically. Of course, he had to since he does not want to lose his job. Being a non-postal employee customer had I been in that line I doubt that I would have been able to keep from adding my two cents to the conversation and I doubt even less that it would have been as diplomatic as the postal employee was. Just reading that paragraph fucking pisses me off.




AlwaysLisa -> RE: Last I looked... (8/6/2010 7:14:59 AM)

mefisto69,

My grandparents on both sides came from over seas, and both sets learned the language.  I'm sorry your grandparents had to experience racism from ignorant people, my maternal gradmother came from Spain also...a little fishing village in the far northern mountains :) 

I think alot of people can say they have grandparents or even parents that came from other countries, thats what the USA was all about..."give us your hungry, poor, etc".     I also feel however that there must be one universal language, and english is it, lol  

I remember when the boatloads of asians migrated to this country in the eighties and started enrolling their kids into schools.... my mom was a teacher and was amazed at how quickly those youngsters learned english and excelled in our school system.  The difference, was the parents.  They insisted on more study time then play and their offspring were often skilled in several languages at a young age.  

It's attitude.  Some do for themselves, others expect things done for them, it's got little to do with where one comes from or what language is spoken.  jmho.




DesFIP -> RE: Last I looked... (8/6/2010 9:34:15 AM)

My greatgrandparents lived here for all of their adult lives, they emigrated as newlyweds. They never learned English. Most immigrants settle in neighborhoods of countrymen, and can manage quite well. Their children learn English in school and become their translators to the wider world.

Beyond that, adult immigrants find it easiest to learn English by watching children's shows, especially the bilingual ones such as Dora the Explorer.




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