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Another computer question - 8/8/2010 1:17:03 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Had a power outage  few days ago. Now the router won't work, and another didn't work. Now on our third router it only works for a short time and then reports an IP conflict. I've tried just about everything. Been to ipconfig and all that, serious total house wide reboots, modem on first, then router, then ONE pc, then the other. It just won't do it.

I see an IP address of 0.0.0.0, and that doesn't seem too normal to me. All tis shit worked before the power outage. I have tried, been to plenty of sites and even let other people mess with it. Sometimes it works for a short time then the baloon pops up with there is an IP conflict.

Look, I am not afuckingfraid to go into the registry, in the DOS days I went into things you just ain't supposed to. I changed DOS commands so that Windows could not access them. I am no babe in the woods. But this IT shit is driving me crazy and I have plenty of problems right now.

Everything has been taken offline, off power and off everything and rebooted to no avail. It may be the DSL modem but on the phone with them they said if I can plug one PC into the modem and it works, the modem should be OK. Kinda makes sense but now I wonder.

This shit all started right after a power outage, so keep that in mind. It says there is a conflict in the IPs but there never were before. At this point in time, one of my PCs is running XP MCE and the other XP corp/pro.

I have tried alot of things. Advice from the internet gurus and all that, but I am getting close to just reloading both of them. Screw MCE, I got corp, and I can tell you it has some really gnarly features, it can almost do the impossible. I mean in corp you go into control panel and you got alot more options. It is bad to the bone.

But do I want to do that ? NO. The way I see it to an IT professional this would be a five minute job, and then just give him his hundred bucks. Can we save me that hundred ? I'll burn one with you.

I know electronics and this is all in software, or heaven forbid, in firmware. I am on my third router now and they all act about the same. Windows reports a conflict in IPs.

I don't want a link to some fucking article from PC ragazine or microfuck dot com. Just tell me what to do if you can.

T

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RE: Another computer question - 8/8/2010 1:40:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		First I would go buy a good surge protector to put all of your network equipment, modem, router, switches, if you have one on. Next I would run a virus scan on each of your computers if you don't already have it download malwarebytes and run that its free and works really well. Viruses and malware can cause these types of issues.

If your router is faulty reset it and see if there is a new firmware for it and flash it with the updated firmware.

Next once the router is back up and running don't configure it yet just hook up each of your machines to it and run this after you reconnect each machine.

Command Prompt:

ipconfig /release

ipconfig /flushdns

ipconfig /renew

ipconfig /registerdns


If you have a wireless router don't connect any of your wireless equipment up until you get the hardwired equipment working correctly.





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RE: Another computer question - 8/8/2010 5:32:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		And/or call your internet service provider and have them refresh/renew the IP.

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RE: Another computer question - 8/8/2010 9:48:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		If/when you can get the modem/router running, from your browser (recommend using IE) go to:  192.168.1.1   This will allow you to access your firmware settings and verify that everything is right. When you do this I would have your ISP tech support on the phone so that they can verify each setting entry with you.


ETA: Yes I also agree that if you do not have a GOOD surge protector get one!! They not only protect from surges and spikes, but also cover brownouts when power is low. A good one has capacitors that will be able to drain a bit of power back into the system to keep the voltage level adequate.

Battery backup units are only necessary if you are worried about losing critical data while you are running. They will also only give you enough time to save and shut down. The best ones will only give you about 15 min. max. time. For the average home user they are not worth the cost.

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RE: Another computer question - 8/8/2010 12:47:45 PM   
Fnordstrum


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Status: offline 		Heck with a simple surge protector... Get a good UPS. ^_^

As far as being worth the cost, well, you don't need to get one that will last more than a few minutes, just enough time to cover two second power outages and let you shut down cleanly in an extended outage... It really isn't that expensive. (Of course "that expensive" varies from person to person, but, fnord)

But it goes without saying that if you can't afford a UPS (or just really don't want one for whatever reason), all of your electronics/computers/etc. should always be plugged in to a decent surge protector.

Also, 192.168.1.1 is only the default address for some routers.. Some default to 192.168.0.1, some 192.168.2.1... (Some might use any other wacky number).. So if you're trying to get to the router config page and it doesn't work, make sure you're using the right one.

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RE: Another computer question - 8/8/2010 2:36:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you have tried three routers and they all act the same, then I would look elsewhere. One of your windows installations might be corrupt (Obviously, it's Windows and Microsoft, so corrupt is inevitable, but I mean digitally damaged, rather than in a corporate sense).

Do you know what the IP addresses currently are for the router and each machine? Do you know if you are using DCHP?

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RE: Another computer question - 8/8/2010 5:05:27 PM   
MasterG2kTR


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Status: offline 		Hey Termy,

Here is the computer you should look into getting....

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RE: Another computer question - 8/9/2010 3:01:52 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		"Command Prompt:

ipconfig /release

ipconfig /flushdns

ipconfig /renew

ipconfig /registerdns "

I did all this, and it didn't work. In fact my bedroom PC again won't get online through the router now even hooked up alone. I had to plug directly into the modem. Also note that this is the third router. No matter what it says the same thing.

A baloon pops up with "You have limited or no connectivity" yet when you unplug it it pops up with "A network cable is unplugged". So it knows it's there. In fact both PCs do, and on every router, but that doesn't get me online.

Now both of these "new" routers came from Mom. Mom can cut your legs off over the phone and eventually got her ISP to send her a router which does work. So I know there is a possibility that they are both defective. But now how is it one of them never worked for her new out of the box and the other she got from work which had been working forever just stopped. And what of my original router ? Why did it stop working all the sudden, coincidentally when we had a power outage ?

I was considering reloading Windows on both these PCs, but that might not work. Should I be looking into a firmware flash for these routers or something like that ?

I'm sorry to be such a pain in the ass, but know this - when I ask for help solving a problem usually I have already tried. Am I looking at three bad routers here or is it a problem with the OSes in the PCs ? They were both either on or in standby when the power outage came. But then so was the modem as well as the original router that worked just fine for years with no setup required.

Again, I know I am a pain in the ass, but I have built several PCs and I know a few things. What I don't know is about IT technology and networking, things like that. In fact problems like this are one of the reasons I stopped doing PC work. It is aggravating.

In fact sometimes I consider throwing all this shit on the tree lawn never to have a computer again, but that is not practical.

AAAAAAAARRRRRGGGHHH MF, SOB ! %^&*&^#$

Yeah, make our lives easier - uh huh. Yeah, Gateway, Gates, Emachines whoever, don't do me anymore favors. They won't though, this stuff is fairly new but it is all out of warranty. I'd say this is driving me crazy, but as we all know it is too late for that :-)

T

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RE: Another computer question - 8/9/2010 3:08:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		You have a modem then a router, then the PCs...the problem may be that the original router is still registered with the modem. Try hooking it back up and going into the firmware and releasing the IP...either that or reset it to factory defaults (usually a small button underneath the router that you need a pen to push)...hope that helps.

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RE: Another computer question - 8/9/2010 3:15:12 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Done that before even replacing the router. However at the time I did not go through the ipconfig routine.

However, if none of them work maybe I should go back to the original router. ????????????????

Better yet maybe I should just go back to bed. This equipment is not cooperating, it's just, almost ridiculous.

T

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RE: Another computer question - 8/10/2010 2:09:41 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		Now it got worse, even directly connected to the modem it would not connect. I did a system restore back to a bit over a month ago and guess what, I am online. WTF is happening here ?

I am sick of thinking about it at this point really, face the fact that I might be offline soon. This is too much. Work is fucking bad enough. I am just about ready to get the gun out. One day it works, next day it won't. This is bullshit, and even if I could afford a new mac, Mom says that they fuck up as well, they are not perfect.

Yes, I am bitching. I have done everything two websites said. I need this thing for work. I can't fuck around all year.

Relax people, it is not your fault. But while I can connect, is there something I should check ? Something I should do ? Can I lock down these settings or whatever to just make sure it keeps working. At this point I don't care if I have to unplug one to get online with the other, or is the problem in my modem ? I have no idea. I have done my best to troubleshoot this shit and coming up with conflicting data. It doesn't make any sense.

Should I just reload Windows on both these things and be done with it ? If I do that it is more work than you think because I have enhancements I have to put in manually. Change file associations, put some things in the sendto menu and so forth. It's a big fucking pain in the ass. But if it's the only way then it is. Tell me.

I got online right now by restoring back to July seventh, which was before the power outage. But that doesn't tell me if maybe the firmware in the router isn't a bit fucked. I work on TVs and they get software problems too now, and some of them the interface and software to fix it costs more than the frikken TV. Should I just throw all this shit out on the treelawn now and forget it, and save myself the headache ?

That's bullshit, I can almost guarantee that this is a software problem, and there is not one single bad part in my entire system. I just need to have it work. I also need both PCs to get online at the same time. If I can't get that I'll just save the fifty bucks a month and let them shut it all off. I am paying for broadband. I can't very well bitch at my ISP after being on the phone with them, and under their instruction connecting straight to the modem and having it work. It would have to be a quirk. They said that since it works now the problem is not on their end, how can I argue against that ?

I'm starting to wonder just how bad it would be if I just installed Linux. I got three versions plus a Lindows disk. Some people swear by it, but I am not sure if it will do what I want. I guess I need another PC to find out, if the goddam router really works.

That's the problem, this IP conflict, can't I just FORCE it to change IP ? Why not, it's mine ?

I am tired of fistfucking around with this shit. It is four in the morning and I should work tomorrow.

I know this sounds like a rant, but it is coming clear that more drastic measures than reboots an shit like that will be required.

Sorry if I was too LOUD !

T

T

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RE: Another computer question - 8/10/2010 3:54:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

That's the problem, this IP conflict, can't I just FORCE it to change IP ? Why not, it's mine ?

I don't like that 0.0.0.0 business. If your computers got dumped by a power outage, that's a bad way to shut down Windows. The first thing I would do is run Windows built-in error check on your drives, if you haven't already. Just sayin...

An IP conflict arises when two or more devices on the network have the same IP address. Do you know how to go into Network Connections and find your connection's TCP/IP Properties? Have you tried setting up both computers to get their IP address from the router? The router will not assign the same IP address to two different devices.

K.

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RE: Another computer question - 8/10/2010 2:50:01 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		The router assigns the IPs ?

That is a new one on me but as I said at times I am not an expert in the subject. I can build a PC, but really I just plugged all this stuff in and it worked.

T

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RE: Another computer question - 8/10/2010 5:16:28 PM   
QMasterNorCal


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Status: offline 		Have you tried using a different data cable? A cable can fail because it is being pushed up against a wall or cabinet. Possibly a pet chewed on the cable some where.

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RE: Another computer question - 8/10/2010 6:23:30 PM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		Might be damaged winsock
Pull up run then

type: CMD

Then

netsh winsock reset

To repair the catalog:

netsh winsock reset catalog

Reset TCP/IP Stack:

netsh int ip reset reset.log

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RE: Another computer question - 8/10/2010 7:10:27 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		UPC definitely. The surge damaged it. Now it needs to be replaced.

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RE: Another computer question - 8/11/2010 10:35:16 AM   
KariCloud


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Status: offline 		Do you know if your modem needs to be in a different mode to work with a router? When I was setting up Windows networks using DSL routers, the modem needed to be put into "bridge" mode to work with a router. Every modem I've ever encountered comes default in non-bridge mode. Reseting the modem would make it go back to default. So if it needed to be in bridge mode, and there was a power outage, that could be it.

My apologies if you've already tried this, I didn't see it mentioned above. But having it in the wrong mode definitely could cause the "limited or no connectivity" error. Generally if it's just that the modem needs to be in bridge mode, one computer plugged directly in to the modem will work just fine. But you wouldn't be able to plug more than one computer in to the internet and have them work, which sounds like the problem you're having.

If you've no idea what I'm talking about, post the modem brand name & model number and I'll see if I can find instructions on how to switch it to bridge mode. I believe there may be settings on the router that need to be changed as well, depending on what type of modem and what type of router you have. The router also could have defaulted back to factory-preset modes and if it needed custom settings to work, that may also be part of the problem.

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RE: Another computer question - 8/12/2010 12:51:24 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		I had a more detailed response but it lost the connection.

Sorry but that's how it is. Like I said, all this shit can be on the treelawn tomorrow. The only thing I will miss is CM and this one pay site, and I can get them at work  I think. Add that to the fact that I am not fucking ariound with the DP I work for anymore, thus starts the war.

Don't worry, I have a thousand contigencies already. and there is no way in hell anyone can even begin to disagree with me. What' more, I might be able to put the law on my side. In the end that idiot might pay a $1,500 fine for ME smoking a cigarette. I warned him.

I'm going to sell off more stuff, and then I am going to try once reloading these PCs. If that doesn't work all this shit is going on the treelawn, with bulletholes in it.

I think I'll reload the bedroom PC first, it's older and i was not the main connection back when I had 98 upstairs. I had to set it up manually. But XP found everything, you plug it in, it works.

My Granfather knew that automatic transmisions were a mistake.

Once I get all this bullshit fixed, is there some way I can lock it ? All this makes me want to run INUX or get a mac.


SITTING BACK AND QUIETING DOWN NOW.

T

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