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RE: Bondage: An Act Of Submission? - 8/9/2010 10:44:49 AM

leadership527

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
That's a little silly. Bottoming can be submission. It depends on the two people involved.

OK, I've been pondering this further. I've come to the conclusion that as long as I see bottoming as an "act", then it can never be submission. Would I be submitting to Carol if I commanded her to tie me up and do <insert bottom-ish activities here>??

Submission, to me, is a mental state, not an act. NOW, do I think that doing bottoming acts can encourage the mental state of submission in some folks? Yes, absolutely. I think, though, the running analogy I gave above applies. That is to say, "Sure, it can engender a submissive head space, but the specific form of that submission is so far away from anything that I might care about that it's an empty set to me.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
If people want to get TOTALLY literal with the definitions, I would argue that "submitting" isn't "submission" if the sub in question is self identified as as a sub. Why are they submitting? For their OWN pleasure. To that end, most of them define their OWN view of what submission is anyway.

This would not be true for Carol and I. We don't live in this world. Carol submits to me because she's submissive and I'm doiminant. She follows my lead. What pleases her, within some pretty broad categories, is what I want to please her. Or, put differently, what pleases her is being in her proper place in the pack and serving her role within the pack structure well. The fact that it pleases her says absolutely nothing except that she is naturally submissive.

I think it's possible that BDSM-submission isn't submitting... in fact, I think that's highly likely. But social dominance and submission does happen and you cannot redefine it away.

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RE: Bondage: An Act Of Submission? - 8/9/2010 7:27:51 PM

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I've been tied up without feeling the slightest bit submissive. As an aside, I only use the term "bottoming" when I'm not submitting as well, regardless of the activity. Sure, someone could physically overpower me far more easily when I'm bound, but if they're enough stronger or have a weapon, they might be able to do so anyway. I only play with people who I'm consenting to do this stuff with, so I don't consider it to be submission just because I can't move.

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