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RE: Getting Dangerous for those in Healthcare. - 8/17/2010 6:26:03 PM

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--- they closed a good number of institutions. there is a MR/MH population that --- lacks... but there is also a general lack of civility in society.

PaHunk, yeah, and that's because a lot of these kids don't have "DADDY" near to smack them around when they get disrespectfull!
All Ego no manners!

Are you suggessting that repeated slaps(at least as often as necessary ?)upside the head fosters civility in children?
This actually explains a fair amount of your anger and at least some of your deepseated issues.
You have my sympasthy Pops.

Fair discipline fosters civility in children.

My uncle had a rather unique approach to discipline. He did things kids, at least in my day, loved to do. Camping, fishing, hunting - hunting that rarely produced a kill I might add. It was mostly wandering around in the woods, talking, learning to track, and hunt with a notion at the end of something like, you know, we really don't need to eat that one.

He was always taking us, brother, myself, and a couple of cousins out to do something, maybe watch a meteor shower, maybe to the coast to hang out on some barrier island and fish for a few days. His form of discipline? Give him shit, you stayed home. There was no discussion on that matter.

I happen to agree wholeheartedly with your uncle's version of discipline....too many parents and gaurdians of children think discipline equates to,as popeye put it,a "smack upside the head.
A child can be raised without being struck...while still being taught how to comport himself as a decent human being.Your uncles lessons are a prime example of one of the many alternatives available to parents.

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RE: Getting Dangerous for those in Healthcare. - 8/17/2010 7:50:23 PM

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Abuse to care givers is hardly a new thing. My mother and another nurse were beaten with a wet floor sign 15 years ago in an ICU unit by a patient who wanted to leave to get a drink. The other nurse ended up with a broken elbow, my mother developed PTSD. Neither were able to function in a closed unit again.

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RE: Getting Dangerous for those in Healthcare. - 8/17/2010 9:55:56 PM

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Read the thread but responding to the article in the OP.

Aren't most of these things already a felony ? I mean can you actually bite someone, threaten them with a weapon, punch their face out and do all that other shit and get a hundred buck fine ? I don't think so. There is no reason for cameras not to be in place in these venues.

Why isn't the enforcement there ? Because they don't care.

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RE: Getting Dangerous for those in Healthcare. - 8/17/2010 10:08:31 PM

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It has nothing to do with law enforcement not caring. If a patient is detoxing while in the hospital, exactly what kind of charge does he or she face? If a patient is diagnosed with a psychosis or severe chronic pain, it is expected they will lash out. We can try and report them... but what good in the end will it do to arrest someone with Alzheimers?

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RE: Getting Dangerous for those in Healthcare. - 8/17/2010 10:34:43 PM

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Read the thread but responding to the article in the OP.

Aren't most of these things already a felony ? I mean can you actually bite someone, threaten them with a weapon, punch their face out and do all that other shit and get a hundred buck fine ? I don't think so. There is no reason for cameras not to be in place in these venues.

Why isn't the enforcement there ? Because they don't care.

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termy:
As a nurse I do not want cameras in patients rooms or any other place care is being given. For one it is an invasion of the patients privacy. I don't think you or anyone else would like to have be filmed when being catheterized, manually disimpacted or any number of other " ugly " things we do.
Nor do I want to be filmed giving care. Let's say I am turning some one with a broken hip and no matter how gentle I am, the act of turning them is going to cause pain. Some people have a very low pain tolerance. So let's say Mr. Broken Hip has a low pain tolerance and begins screaming out and thrashing as I am turning him. There is no sound, it could appear in a courtroom that I am absusing Mr. Broken Hip.

After 30 years in the business I have no doubts that a survellience tape would be more often used to the detriment of healthcare workers than to their advantage. So I say keep the cameras out.

Tazz is spot on. You really cannot charge some one who is incompetant with assualt and battery. What are you going to do with a demetia patient or brain tumor patient that can't string two words together ?
Tazz is spot on. Often times it is an organic or neurological condition that predisposes a patient to violence. There is no intent, it's a lack of impulse control due to them being " short wired ".
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RE: Getting Dangerous for those in Healthcare. - 8/17/2010 10:56:50 PM

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Well then, as flippant as it may seem you will have to apply bondage. I am not trying to be funny here, maybe later......

Really, you are a caregiver and there is no reason to put up with physical abuse from patients in any setting. Even if you make good money you should not be required to be a martial arts expert, and neither should doctors. As much as I think doctors are overcompensated in this country, they should not have to use their fists and then the next day do brain surgery on their assailant with sore fingers.

A panic button sounds good. But it should be placed somehow so in any situation it can be pushed, and maybe two buttons, one for severe danger and one for less severe danger. The orderlies should be there in seconds, and of course do their best to avoid injuries, but put the patients into a full Segufix system for the night. Look that up if you are unfamiliar. Let them wake up like that.

If that doesn't teach them put them in a rubber room in a straitjacket for a time. You are trying to fucking help people and the profits don't matter. If you have to be a Judo expert to do your job you should be paid for it. But then that's what orderlies are for. All you need is to get them there soon enough.

They might later get a room, possibly rubber, but until further notice from the caregiver(s) they are not required to be released from restraint until alone or the caregiver(s) feel safe. At least that was the law in Ohio up until at least 2005. Other states may differ. And if they are a danger to themselves then they can be kept in restraint even in a private room/cell. Let them live with not being able to scratch their nose or toes, even better their balls if any.

Then, after release, if the cops bring them back again you refuse them at the door. Let their defective ass kill themself in jail then, save us all the trouble. You know that people who don't want help are the biggest problem, and if they are brought there because of criminal activity, you have every right to refuse them on those basis'

If the institution for which you work is public that might not be possible, but in their file, every time they come here they are going straight into restraints.

As far as I know that is the law here. Segufix is still more comfortable than laying on a sheet of steel handcuffed behind your back. And they do that here after they bust up a barroom brawl. And they are the police and have physical training. Unless that is a prerequisite for employment, you don't have to do it. You don't have to be in danger. But I might not recommend pushing the issue with youe employer, it would be better presented to whatever trade association(s) you might be in.

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