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More Republican partisan hypocrisy - 8/11/2010 8:47:34 AM   
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"This treaty is a masterstroke. . . . It is shorn of the tortured bench marks, sub-limits, arcane definitions and monitoring provisions that weighed down past arms control treaties," said Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.). "It assumes a degree of trust between nations that are no longer on the precipice of war."

Those were words from Kyl's floor speech on March 6, 2003. Go ON senator ?? A MASTERSTROKE ??

Twenty-four Republicans who voted for that treaty seven years ago are in the Senate today, but not one, save possibly Sen. Richard Lugar (Ind.), has indicated he or she will vote for the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (New START), negotiated by President Obama's team. [This is even though] New START has sub-limits, definitions and monitoring provisions.

In the first of two hearings that the Senate Armed Services Committee held on the treaty in 2002, Sen.  Carl Levin (D-Mich.), then as now chairman of the panel, noted that the phrase "operationally deployed" would be "key to the treaty" because those were apparently the only weapons put under limits. Yet, he pointed out, there was no definition of "operationally deployed" attached to the treaty.

No matter, it's Obama's treaty now which makes it a treaty from a negro, socialists (banker ?) liberal democrat...FUCK the country. How do we know ?
Rumsfeld agreed (2002) that the negotiators had not included "any precise definition." But, the secretary added, "we have indicated what we consider it to be, and there is no question that the Russians will be using something roughly approximating that."

Fast forward kinkroids...outlandish hypocrisy from the repubs.

This year, one of the main issues of Republican opponents, including Kyl, has been the exact meaning of language linking strategic offensive weapons to missile defense. Kyl and others are demanding a look at the negotiating record to satisfy themselves on the meaning of the language and to make sure no private deals were reached. Oh sure...HYPOCRITES
No request was made eight years ago to see if there was a common understanding on "operationally deployed." in fact...

At an Armed Services Committee hearing in June, (2010) Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said first among his areas of concern on New START was to feel "confident that the treaty is verifiable."

Back in 2002, McCain did not attend the Armed Services hearing at which Rumsfeld said, "One reason we saw no need for including detailed verification measures in the treaty" was "there simply isn't any way on earth to verify what Russia is doing with all those warheads."

Rumsfeld added, "Neither side should have an interest in evading the terms of the treaty, since it codifies unilaterally announced reductions." Despite the lack of means to verify compliance in 2003, McCain voted to ratify the Moscow Treaty. Oh but not now hey ? Well this is Obama's treaty a FARR superior treaty. Still not good enough for partisan bullshit.

McCain was only too happy to give a repub pres. his treaty.Oh...but not now...no that would be acting in the interest of the country.

Republicans have sought some guarantee that promises in the Obama administration's 10-year plan to modernize the nuclear weapons complex will be carried out. This year, directors of the nation's nuclear laboratories have testified, as has the director of the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA), in support of New START. Kyl and others are [actually] visiting the labs, seeking further information from the directors.

Eight years ago, only one witness from the NNSA appeared at a hearing that just three Republicans attended. The NNSA's Everet H. Beckner said his agency had a "fairly aggressive" five-year budget plan for the future, but he never was asked for details.

Sen. Jeff Sessions
(R-Ala.) attended the Aug. 1, 2002
, session and asked about the capability to produce more nuclear "pits," the plutonium triggers for thermonuclear weapons. Beckner's answers led Sessions to say, "So for a decade or so we have a window where this is problematic," but nothing else was done or said.  NOTHING !!

Recently, Armed Services hearing, Inhofe questioned the number of hearings being held and the failure to call opponents of the pact. As an example, Inhofe noted that the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, of which he is a member, had held 12 hearings and heard 25 witnesses but that only two had voiced criticism of the treaty.

He and other Republicans requested that Levin hold additional Armed Services hearings to give opponents a chance to testify. Armed Services has now had eight hearings on New START.

Eight years ago, (2002) it was different. In the months after the Moscow Treaty was signed, the Foreign Relations Committee held only four hearings and Armed Services just two. Two nongovernmental witnesses testified and noted that the pact had no verification procedures, though neither opposed its passage. Neither Inhofe nor any other Republican requested additional hearings or witnesses.
In fact, at the second and last of the Armed Services hearings in 2002, Inhofe said he was "going to be very quick" with only one question to ask. Why? Because, he said, "we have had so many of these hearings, I have run out of questions."

Unabashed, unbowed, unprincipled, undiluted and absurd partisan bullshit. The repubs are losing all credibility of what little they had left. This is NOT your father's republican party.




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RE: More Republican partisan hypocrisy - 8/11/2010 9:42:43 AM   
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Well, it is clear that their plan is to invade Iran first chance they get, which will give a momentary boost to the economy as we gear up and make new materiel for the war.

But as you can see, it's never ending, and it robs our nation and people.

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RE: More Republican partisan hypocrisy - 8/11/2010 9:46:16 AM   
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Does this come from a source or several sources? While it is possible you could have written this, with all the details; it is unlikely. More likely, this is a cut/paste from somewhere else, which would mean plagurism. Where the information ends, and your or other's opinion start is hard to follow.

And calling the President of the United States of America a 'a negro, socialists (banker ?) liberal democrat', is pretty disrespectful. A Negro? Sorry, the guys an AMERICAN. If anything, he's a Hawaii-an with an ancestory to Africa. Just as I'm a New Englander with an ancestory from Germany and England. Second, a 'socialist' and a 'democrat' are to VERY different schools of political thought. That is why 'Republican' and 'Nazi War Party' are not shared, even though most Tea Party members like the ideas from both political philosophies.

Most bankers, are not socialists. If anything has been proved in the last 200 years regarding economic thought: Being a banker is to Capitalism, what a priest is to the Catholic church.


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RE: More Republican partisan hypocrisy - 8/11/2010 10:24:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Does this come from a source or several sources? While it is possible you could have written this, with all the details; it is unlikely. More likely, this is a cut/paste from somewhere else, which would mean plagurism. Where the information ends, and your or other's opinion start is hard to follow.

And calling the President of the United States of America a 'a negro, socialists (banker ?) liberal democrat', is pretty disrespectful. A Negro? Sorry, the guys an AMERICAN. If anything, he's a Hawaii-an with an ancestory to Africa. Just as I'm a New Englander with an ancestory from Germany and England. Second, a 'socialist' and a 'democrat' are to VERY different schools of political thought. That is why 'Republican' and 'Nazi War Party' are not shared, even though most Tea Party members like the ideas from both political philosophies.

Most bankers, are not socialists. If anything has been proved in the last 200 years regarding economic thought: Being a banker is to Capitalism, what a priest is to the Catholic church.

The church analogy is a good one since we are ALL to genuflect at the alter of profits. Bankers have been running to govt. for help throughout history. They have purchased govt. with all of their free-speech [sic] in the bank and have set the culture of too big to fail and socialism for the rich.

I use negro to point up why and I do insist...partisanship today is somewhat driven by unspoken (by most) racism of the repubs.

Yes I have now posted the source.

Seems I cannot edit my own  post so...Here


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RE: More Republican partisan hypocrisy - 8/11/2010 10:35:34 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Does this come from a source or several sources? While it is possible you could have written this, with all the details; it is unlikely. More likely, this is a cut/paste from somewhere else, which would mean plagurism. Where the information ends, and your or other's opinion start is hard to follow.

And calling the President of the United States of America a 'a negro, socialists (banker ?) liberal democrat', is pretty disrespectful. A Negro? Sorry, the guys an AMERICAN. If anything, he's a Hawaii-an with an ancestory to Africa. Just as I'm a New Englander with an ancestory from Germany and England. Second, a 'socialist' and a 'democrat' are to VERY different schools of political thought. That is why 'Republican' and 'Nazi War Party' are not shared, even though most Tea Party members like the ideas from both political philosophies.

Most bankers, are not socialists. If anything has been proved in the last 200 years regarding economic thought: Being a banker is to Capitalism, what a priest is to the Catholic church.

The church analogy is a good one since we are ALL to genuflect at the alter of profits. Bankers have been running to govt. for help throughout history. They have purchased govt. with all of their free-speech [sic] in the bank and have set the culture of too big to fail and socialism for the rich.

I use negro to point up why and I do insist...partisanship today is somewhat driven by unspoken (by most) racism of the repubs.

Yes I have now posted the source.



Ok, where is the source?

Republicans are allowed to be bigots and racists. After all, we allow the KKK and the Nazi War Party their 1st Amendment speech. Funny that both organizations voted 'McCain' in the last election....

Still, 'stirring the pot' of racism, is never good. You give permission to the lesser animals of our society, legitimate footing to spew more crap. Not that they need much motivation, given the typical Tea Party or Republican rally these days. They've alienated the Hispanic vote, the Black vote, and the Asian Vote. Does the current Republican party reflect the Republican party of 30 years ago? HELL NO! Its just a mere shadow of its once self. But, being irresponsible with one's actions will do that. Being irresponsible with one's nation, is unforgivable!

And NOW< they want back in to power, to f-up the goverment again! If the moderates in this country vote Republican, then they just lost any arguements for the next few years. That's the funny thing with moderates. They are 'for' the side that is most 'good' at the time, and conviently forgetting where they 'were' days/weeks/months/years ago.


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