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pahunkboy -> Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 11:59:51 AM)

Those resisting Islamic control, enslavement, rape and those whose entire property and family had been taken (rich or poor) or were unable to meet crushing taxes , had fled to the jungles./snip

http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3312:islams-indian-slave-trade-part-i-in-islams-genocidal-slavery-&catid=170&Itemid=67


So-  that would explain things.  




thornhappy -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 12:13:53 PM)

Ya know, after looking at that web site, I wouldn't believe these guys if they said the sky was blue without checking at the window.

..and this is just one of the reasons why: "I regard becoming Muslim as 'retarding', or devolving, not reverting and am pleased to read that many who get sucked in reawaken and leave Islamic barbarity!   Why do people 'retard' ?  Many 'retards' are looking for some guidance or purpose in life, know nothing or little about the real Islam and are sweet talked by a Muslim (Abdul mentions ' cunning Muslim proselytizers ')… Abdul-Quddus's  story in particular is a warning for young people and their parents! Celine and Abdul left Islam when they discovered the truth about it—if we could expose Islamic text and laws, others could be saved the folly of joining an evil ideology that promises to kill those who leave!   In Australia we must demand our right to expose Islam!"

Yup.




jlf1961 -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 12:17:19 PM)

Leave it to pahunk to find another rightwingnut website to push intolerance.




Lucylastic -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 12:20:04 PM)

the Queen is NOT a muslim Hunky sorry....




Jeffff -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 12:21:03 PM)

What about Freddy Mercury?

He was born somehwere that way.




pahunkboy -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 12:24:30 PM)

http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3596:keep-islam-simple-stupid&catid=180&Itemid=60

this one might be a better summary.




Fellow -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 12:31:22 PM)

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So- that would explain things.


Not much. We are looking at the late middle ages. Compare to Europe: most people in serfdom (slavery), wars, famine, plague.




pahunkboy -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 12:36:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Fellow

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So- that would explain things.


Not much. We are looking at the late middle ages. Compare to Europe: most people in serfdom (slavery), wars, famine, plague.



That is true.




nephandi -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 1:07:37 PM)

Greetings

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..and this is just one of the reasons why: "I regard becoming Muslim as 'retarding', or devolving, not reverting and am pleased to read that many who get sucked in reawaken and leave Islamic barbarity!


So my childhood friend who are a medical researcher, highly educated are barbaric because she calls her God by the name of Allah and not Jehovah? I can not believe some pepole actually think this, that someone's choice of religion make them barbaric or retarded. I can just not believe that there are web pages full of such crap out there.

I wish you well.






pahunkboy -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 1:29:06 PM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 6:09:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

What about Freddy Mercury?

He was born somehwere that way.



Freddy was Zoroastrian.




Jeffff -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/14/2010 6:12:35 PM)

Freddie Mercury (born Farrokh Bulsar)


Nuff said.




Elisabella -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/15/2010 12:39:09 AM)

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I can not believe some pepole actually think this, that someone's choice of religion make them barbaric or retarded.


I feel this way about Scientologists and comet cults that kill themselves.




thishereboi -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/15/2010 6:27:59 AM)

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I can not believe some pepole actually think this, that someone's choice of religion make them barbaric or retarded. I can just not believe that there are web pages full of such crap out there.


Sure they do.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3263683/tm.htm

At least this one admits that there are some nice one's out there, even if they are ignorant.


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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

I'm with you, OP.
When I'm dissed, I remember that on average, people with religion tend to have lower IQ's, to have trouble reasoning and to obey paternalistic authority, to react irrationally, unpredictably, physically and violently, to be racist [giving preferential treatment to people of their own religion], to rape, and embezzle.
The bible says I should stone the person arguing with me because his socks are made out of more than one fibre [Leviticus 19:19]
, that I am allowed to enslave him because he's American [Leviticus 25:44-45], and that I should kill him if he enters a church because he has a flat nose [Leviticus 21:17-21].
I might tell him his god has damned him already for prostelyzing or praying in public [Matthew 6:1-6], for having a tattoo [Leviticus 19:28] and for shaving [Leviticus 19:27].
Then I say, 'No headline ever read, 'Atheist militia machetes, rapes agnostic village,' and I move on.

Of course, I've met some nice religious people, but I just don't understand the gaping holes in their logic centres; they can see the differences in the brains of religious people using PET scans: interesting.





Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/15/2010 6:41:53 AM)

India is a country with it's own set of fucked up problems. Attempting to compare their society to ours is a bit like trying to compare Apples to Sea Sponges. Things are extremely different there on a number of levels. To be honest, I would not dare even equate islam in that country on par with islam in other parts of the world. This is an issue with people behind the scenes and how their own culture blends or does not blend into religion, politics, economics, control and blah blah blah. Somebody is going to try to use something for leverage over other people.

At best, this is an example of how religion has often been a tool in the hands of man. Human beings doing things they want to do under the guise and bidding of higher powers.




LadyEllen -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/15/2010 7:47:31 AM)

Interesting article Hunky - what a good thing that Christians never behaved like that eh? Whether in Europe or in later imperialist expansions.

What this, along with similar instances throughout history shows us is that if one can generate an ideology in which all things are either right and good or wrong and bad, (or black and white if you prefer), that such an ideology is not only very attractive indeed to the human species, the majority of which dislike the greys of reality and the chore of thinking for themselves, but also extremely effective, through its simple appeal to a mass audience and its utter conviction of righteousness and good, in bringing about great worldly success at the expense of those whom one has deemed wrong and bad.

The problem we face is not Islam - though to be sure Islam carries many aspects of the above, as does Christianity, naziism, communism and any other like "black and white" ideology. The problem we face is that at least 2/3 of every member of our species is lazy, stupid, spiteful and arrogant, and thus fertile ground for whatever "black and white" ideology might present itself.

In times past, no more than a few centuries ago, we in the west got lucky when a curious confluence of factors entered our culture, producing the notion of individual rights and freedoms, democracy and notably, considering our audience, the Constitution of the US and eventually (after a great deal of resistance on the part of black and white adherents), the concept of human rights - which are utterly at odds with black and white thinking whereby there must always be a right and good way, practised by the right and good, and everything and everyone else which must be wrong and bad and destroyed.

More recently however I see our western, liberal culture under threat - not by Islam itself but by a turning away from the values and ideals that came to the fore in the 18th century and made steady progress until late in the 20th. The denigration of educational achievement, the focus on material success at all costs, the celebration of the worst aspects of society, the portrayal of work ethic as something for "losers", the dragging down of culture to the lowest common denominators, the assertion that "there is no such thing as society" and that "my rights trump all others'" and the belief, held most earnestly by many, that being a celebrity or winning the lottery is an inevitability for them - these all demonstrate to me a decline in our culture which taken alongside the perversion of universal human rights that holds every attitude, action and result to be of equal value must spell our doom when confronted with any black and white ideology that arises or enters into our presence. We have no answer - like the Indians in the article we cannot stand united and cannot resist and so shall fall.

The paradox is that in order to have any chance of defending ourselves from black and white ideologies, of defending our liberal, human rights based, democratic and open ideology, we should have to make of it a black and white ideology that might unite us and enable us to resist. We must give up some of that individualism that makes our culture what it is in order to bring about a commonality of identity and purpose that clearly states "this far, and no further" - whatever the ideology that threatens us.

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Rule -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/15/2010 8:35:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
More recently however I see our western, liberal culture under threat

I agree. This past year police have stopped me twice, both times when I was doing long distance on my bicycle without wearing a shirt in my nude upper body. One year ago when it was about 26 degrees Celcius at about nine o'clock in the morning, and last Monday night when it was about fourteen degrees Celcius at about 1:45 in the morning. The latter asked where I came from (Alkmaar), whether I wasn't cold (not after bicycling 25 kilometers) and if I had identity papers, which they are not supposed to ask for unless they suspect someone of having committed a crime. Twice I had stopped and moved away from the narrow road to let that latter duo in their slow unmarked car pass to avoid becoming myself a red smear on that road and instead of having the courtesy to drive on and get out of my way, so that I could complete the remaining fifteen kilometers of my journey those dolts stopped me and started to interrogate me. Apparently they did not know that it is permitted to bicycle from Alkmaar to Amsterdam, that it is permitted to do so on a public road and that it is permitted to not wear a shirt. (I guess they never went to the beach or to a swimming pool and would be shocked to see a road worker, a construction worker or a farmer without their shirts on.)

The Netherlands are starting to devolve into one of them non-liberal backwards Abrahamic Jewish countries, I swear! (Per my definition anyone with a circumcised penis is an Abrahamic Jew.)




nephandi -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/15/2010 8:46:58 AM)

Greetings

quote:

I feel this way about Scientologists and comet cults that kill themselves.


There are idiots in every walk of life, and there are groups that are definitely negative. However do you think that someone's choice of religion make them restarted, even those that Scientology. I mean I am not great fan of Scientology, but I have read some of their philosophy and religions ideas and I do not think pepole are restarted for deciding that is for them.

I wish you well




Rule -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/15/2010 9:43:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: nephandi
Scientology, but I have read some of their philosophy and religions ideas and I do not think people are retarted for deciding that is for them.

Scientology is a cover for one of them secret USA agencies. The people in charge have an extremely high IQ. The lower echelons are flunkies that serve to shield the people in charge from the public eye.

They have a bad rep for having no conscience and extorting money from less gifted people by selling courses to them; it is often a legitimate trade - but unethical.




Aneirin -> RE: Those resisting Islamic control (8/15/2010 10:27:06 AM)

When are people actually going to understand Religion is all about control ?




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