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It seems that people have forgotten about non-muslim ex... - 8/14/2010 7:47:44 PM   
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Bomb injures 3 children in Northern Ireland

(CNN) -- Police in Northern Ireland said Saturday "it was an absolute miracle" that three children were not more seriously injured in a bomb explosion in County Armagh.

A "no-warning" bomb went off in a bin in the center of Lurgan. The blast blew a hole in a metal fence and the children -- two of them 12 years old and one 2 years old -- sustained cuts from flying debris. The children required hospital treatment, local police said.


Bomb injures 3 children in Northern Ireland

Just wanted to remind everyone here in the states that it is not only Muslims who use terror to try and make a point.

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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/14/2010 8:04:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've never understood the violence in Ireland. It's always seemed senseless to me.

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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/14/2010 9:04:17 PM   
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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/14/2010 9:17:52 PM   
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I've never understood the violence in Ireland. It's always seemed senseless to me.

Versus, say, the "sensible" violence in the world?

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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 8:20:55 AM   
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I've never understood the violence in Ireland. It's always seemed senseless to me.


I've always believed it was religiously driven and when religion is involved all sense is left by the wayside.

Of course, the retort of MM also has relevance.

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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 8:28:59 AM   
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This is a common misconception of many Atheists. All violence is based in religion and when religion is involved all sense is left behind. That is just not true. If you look at most violent conflict, religion might be used as a glossy paint but under it lie other, more worldly problems. Also there is allot of war and conflict in this world which was never started in religions name. In addition most, most, most religions pepole of any faith are not zealots, we think and reason and our faith is a friend to walk by our side through life, it is not a shield to hide behind to just blindly accept some dogma.

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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 9:44:23 AM   
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Greetings

This is a common misconception of many Atheists. All violence is based in religion and when religion is involved all sense is left behind. That is just not true. If you look at most violent conflict, religion might be used as a glossy paint but under it lie other, more worldly problems. Also there is allot of war and conflict in this world which was never started in religions name. In addition most, most, most religions pepole of any faith are not zealots, we think and reason and our faith is a friend to walk by our side through life, it is not a shield to hide behind to just blindly accept some dogma.

I wish you well.



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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 9:52:28 AM   
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That is all.

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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 11:55:24 AM   
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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 11:57:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: brokedickdog

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ORIGINAL: Brain

I've never understood the violence in Ireland. It's always seemed senseless to me.


I've always believed it was religiously driven and when religion is involved all sense is left by the wayside.

Of course, the retort of MM also has relevance.



Yes and mm didn't have to imply that anyone religious has no sense to make his point. Why did you?


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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 2:10:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The violence in Ireland allows the two factions involved to extort money from their communities to murder the evil British.
It's a stupid excuse, but it's the only one they seem to have.

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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 4:42:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		When the Irish terrorists start blowing up buildings in the US then they will be moved to the top of the terrorist list... at least for the US anyway. I don't think we are forgetting… it is just the threat from them is non-existent here in the US.

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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 5:07:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, and it was known many US citizens at one time actually gave money to the PIRA to buy weapons and kill the British, that is remembered and all over some bollocks about ancestry.

But what the Provisional Irish Republican Army was in later years became a different thing, for it was known they dabbled in gangster like activities to raise their funds, or was it in reality they were just gangsters who used a cause to achieve their aim, I suspect the latter and it is what I suspect in this case, make something religious or political and it makes it more acceptable in the eyes of the world.

What the IRA were at the time of the 1916 uprising, I have some sympathy for, and believe if my country was occupied by another country which opressed my countrymen, I might be similarly inclined to fight back, but now with NI, it is a whole different situation, the troubles have passed, no one wants them any more, yet we keep hearing about these little atrocities happening, people being murdered under the flag of politics or religion, why, to let us know the old bogeyman is still breathing or a cover for criminal activities of a more common kind.


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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 5:18:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Soooo some Americans gave money to Irish terrorist ....soooo ALL Americans will be remembered in the UK as aiding a terrorist organization...is that what you are saying?

As for the rest... I feel for you and them.

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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 5:32:16 PM   
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When the Irish terrorists start blowing up buildings in the US then they will be moved to the top of the terrorist list... at least for the US anyway. I don't think we are forgetting… it is just the threat from them is non-existent here in the US.

Butch


Indeed Butch, but you reinforce the point many of us are trying to make. The threat from the MAJORITY of Muslims is nonexistent. Just as the threat from the majority of Catholics, even at the height of the troubles, was nonexistent.

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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 5:41:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

When the Irish terrorists start blowing up buildings in the US then they will be moved to the top of the terrorist list... at least for the US anyway. I don't think we are forgetting… it is just the threat from them is non-existent here in the US.

Butch


Indeed Butch, but you reinforce the point many of us are trying to make. The threat from the MAJORITY of Muslims is nonexistent. Just as the threat from the majority of Catholics, even at the height of the troubles, was nonexistent.


And you are ignoring the point that while the MAJORITY may carry no threat, a very violent and vocal minority does. 


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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 5:46:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope, quite simply that it is known Americans gave money to continue the fight against the British in Northern Ireland, but it is also thought those that gave so gleefully, were they aware their funds were to be used for the murder of innocent people under the guise of an ancient politico religious cause, if they did, how can they sleep at night, for some people in the US funded terrorism against an ally nation.

But the past is the past, those times have gone, people will forgive and forget the mistakes of the past and move on, for living in the past does not aide a brighter future for anyone. Ancient wrongs have to be forgotten as why should the people present relive the sins and reprisals for actions done by their ancestors whom they did not know and so should be wary of taking offence for things from the past, as it does not help the present or build good foundations for the future.


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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 5:46:52 PM   
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And you are ignoring the point that while the MAJORITY may carry no threat, a very violent and vocal minority does. 



Really ? You should read all my posts on Bin Laden and Al Quaida. Your stupid comment doesnt alter the fact that the majority of Muslims are like the majority of non Muslims, peace loving people.

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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 5:59:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		And of the peaceful people of the world, be they Muslim, Christian or any other for that matter what they may voice in oppinions is a whole lot different from those that act, as it is known peaceful people either keep out of a situation, or when involuntarily pushed will say they support a local aggressor, for sheer survival. Many that are aggressors towards others are also aggressors to their own people, perhaps a case of conquer your own before even thinking of conquering others.

Afghanistan for example, villagers reported to be supporting the taliban, well, wouldn't you if you had a gang of armed nutters in your village or home, would you for your own survival aide in the hope the aggressor will move on and leave you to your own non aggressive peaceful existence.


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RE: It seems that people have forgotten about non-musli... - 8/15/2010 6:34:08 PM   
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And you are ignoring the point that while the MAJORITY may carry no threat, a very violent and vocal minority does. 



Really ? You should read all my posts on Bin Laden and Al Quaida. Your stupid comment doesnt alter the fact that the majority of Muslims are like the majority of non Muslims, peace loving people.


Stupidity is ignoring the threat in order to apply one's smooz philosophy. I have no problem agreeing with the statement that a majority of muslims are peace loving folk. That makes no difference in terms of security issues though. Nor does it lessen the threat from the minority who are not.


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