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switch2please -> RE: Are you OK with the Mosque near Ground Zero? (8/18/2010 12:01:21 PM)
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Quotes from the video...
"[Muslims are] good citizens in public, not-so-good citizens in private."
Aren't we all?
Qur'an 3:28 - "Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security."
Most people prefer to be with people who agree with them. It limits conflict. On the other hand, there are certainly kids my parents warned me about when I was growing up. They weren't necessarily bad kids, just not the kind of influence my parents wanted to introduce into my life. You have to maintain some kind of diplomacy to maintain peace on the playground, but the ultimate decision is yours: you can play with the kids and find out for yourself, or listen to your parents and stay in your comfort zone. I'm sure there were kids who weren't supposed to play with me, too. Why take it personally?
Christianity is the majority in this country, sure. If you don't happen to be a participating member of that majority, it's easy enough to not go to Christian services. If you go to a dinner party and disagree with the host, you can state your opinion and agree to disagree before changing the topic...or you can be outraged that everyone isn't taking your side, storm out of the house, and plan retaliation. The latter is unusually dramatic and unnecessary, dare I say...extremist? It's the exception rather than the rule.
"We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them." - Abu Darda, companion of Mohammed
Again, don't we all sometimes keep quiet for the sake of peace? We'd rather applaud our mother-in-law's cooking rather than throw a tantrum about how Hamburger Helper does not qualify as a home-cooked meal. (Mother-in-law can be rearranged to spell 'woman hitler', by the way - I think it's funny.) We tell our boss that we'll fix the error and take care of the problem, even though his ineptitude was the source of the error...rather than go Fight Club on his ass. It's just not worth it.
Generalizations can be dangerous. I'm a desensitized youth in Colorado, I grew up in a Denver suburb, my parents weren't around much, I wasn't popular in high school, I know how to use a gun, and I sometimes listens to loud, angry music. Am I planning a gory homage to the Columbine school shootings? Hell no.
"My friends, what did Muslims do when they conquered Mecca? They went to the Kabah (sp?), the center of pagan worship, and they claimed it for Islam. What did Muslims do when they took Jerusalem, where did they build their mosque? They built it on the Temple Mount. When Muslims conquered Damascus, where did they build their mosque? They demolished the Church of St John the Baptist and replaced it with a mosque. Why?"
This could be a compelling argument, if it were not an effective part of every conqueror's strategy for subduing a potentially rebellious populace. Christians have been doing the same thing for thousands of years. It's very well-documented. This is how civilizations grow - there being only a finite amount of space to be shared, any land you want likely has to be taken away from someone else...kind of like the piece of land in question was taken from natives to become part of the British colonies before declaring independence to become the United States...
"When you Islam-ize the most important places of your enemy, you destabilize the enemy, you make them weaker and you show them that Muslims are in control."
Exactly. This is why it works, for any conquering civilization. Tried and true. The Romans were excellent at this. How do you think Christianity came to be the majority in the first place?
"We don't have a religious center in the United States of America, but we do have an economic center. The heart of that economic center was the World Trade Center, which was destroyed by Muslims, and now Muslims want to create a massive mosque. Why?"
So, despite being a predominantly Christian society, the closest thing we have to a unifying belief is our dependence on money - sure, I'll buy that, but I fail to see how that discredits the statement of builders of the mosque that they are building it to honor the victims of 9/11. This was reiterated by the speaker in the video several times but with no representation from anyone affiliated with the mosque and no citations.
"Right after 9/11, Muslims were joking about filling the city with mosques."
...and right after Columbine I was cracking jokes about how teachers ducked every time I reached into my bag for a pen. Sensitive? Hardly. Funny? Well...I thought so... I joke about everything, and I love abrasive too-soon jokes. Am I serious? NO!!!!
All this aside, the video was made by a man totally unaffiliated with the mosque. He's just another guy on a soapbox. Like everything else, take it with a grain of salt (and yes, that's a Bible reference).
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