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Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero communi... - 8/16/2010 4:08:18 PM   
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But several people familiar with the debate among New York's Islamic activists now claim that the leaders are convinced abandoning the site is preferable to unleashing a wave of bitterness towards Muslims.

Another factor in the apparent climbdown is a lack of funds to pay for construction of the center, estimated to cost a hundred million dollars.
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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 8:47:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		What's amazing is that folks were thinking this was going to be built immediately, when there were no funds at hand, and they've been praying near there since 1970.  You'd think this mosque was just stood up last week.

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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 8:50:05 PM   
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what??? why are they going to do that???

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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 8:59:27 PM   
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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 9:05:37 PM   
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http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/muslim-leaders-to-abandon-plans-for-ground-zero-community-center-1.308426

But several people familiar with the debate among New York's Islamic activists now claim that the leaders are convinced abandoning the site is preferable to unleashing a wave of bitterness towards Muslims.

Another factor in the apparent climbdown is a lack of funds to pay for construction of the center, estimated to cost a hundred million dollars.


Now little Glenn Beck and the rest of his pseudo intellectual right wing propaganda buffoons can "claim" victory in their vigorous defense of murikan culture and values.   Of course they fail to realize most of what we call culture is bits and pieces of other cultures stolen, but hey that is a different thread.


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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 9:10:18 PM   
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If this is true it is a sad day for those who advocate for religious tolerance... it is very sad indeed



If true the real shame will be the violence against American interests in the Moslem world because of the perceived insult to the religion. All because a group of men could not use common sense and respect the feelings of thousands of victims. And politicians could not resist instigating the issue for political purposes.

This whole debacle is testament to the intolerance of man regardless of the teachings of their own religion.

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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 9:12:14 PM   
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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 9:38:11 PM   
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If this is true it is a sad day for those who advocate for religious tolerance... it is very sad indeed



Why would you say that, Julia? Isn't this a sign of Islam catching a hint that tolerance and sensitivity sometimes means at least pretending to care about the thoughts and feelings of people of different faiths?

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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 9:38:19 PM   
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If this is true it is a sad day for those who advocate for religious tolerance... it is very sad indeed


I agree 100%

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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 9:42:30 PM   
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If this is true it is a sad day for those who advocate for religious tolerance... it is very sad indeed



Don't worry your pretty little head head julia.... the warm and fuzzy peace loving group Hamas has stepped into fund this project.

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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 10:46:24 PM   
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They do understand that people who lost loved ones in 911 might be a little upset by this building don't they?


Yes, the same way, owners of gunshops, shooting ranges, and churchs devoted to Christianity, open their doors in Oklahoma City. You might recall a pair of extremists conservatives, who did something bad on 4/19/1995. If what conservatives say is true, then should one find not a single gunshop, shooting range or church to Christianity, within the city limits.....for the last 15 years?



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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 10:47:38 PM   
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Don't worry your pretty little head head julia.... the warm and fuzzy peace loving group Hamas has stepped into fund this project.



Kindly provide a citation from a legitimate news source for your assertion, and by legitimate I do not mean the shit from "Fixed Noise" or "Newsmax.com", or "Powerline.com" .   By legitimate news I mean any source NOT owned by the fuckwad Rupert Murdoch, or the other fuckwad  Sun Yung Moon, ok??


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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 11:01:01 PM   
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They do understand that people who lost loved ones in 911 might be a little upset by this building don't they?




You do realize many Muslims died on 9-11

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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 11:08:12 PM   
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You do realize many Muslims died on 9-11



19, at the very least...

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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 11:35:28 PM   
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They do understand that people who lost loved ones in 911 might be a little upset by this building don't they?




You do realize many Muslims died on 9-11


Why would the family's of the muslims who died on 9-11 be upset by the building of a mosque?

I don't get what you are attempting to say.

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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/16/2010 11:38:01 PM   
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They do understand that people who lost loved ones in 911 might be a little upset by this building don't they?


Yes, the same way, owners of gunshops, shooting ranges, and churchs devoted to Christianity, open their doors in Oklahoma City. You might recall a pair of extremists conservatives, who did something bad on 4/19/1995. If what conservatives say is true, then should one find not a single gunshop, shooting range or church to Christianity, within the city limits.....for the last 15 years?



That's a pretty sorry analogy. Please point me to any link where there was opposition to the building of gunshops or shooting ranges in Oklahoma City.



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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/17/2010 1:53:26 AM   
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They do understand that people who lost loved ones in 911 might be a little upset by this building don't they?


Yes, the same way, owners of gunshops, shooting ranges, and churchs devoted to Christianity, open their doors in Oklahoma City. You might recall a pair of extremists conservatives, who did something bad on 4/19/1995. If what conservatives say is true, then should one find not a single gunshop, shooting range or church to Christianity, within the city limits.....for the last 15 years?



That's a pretty sorry analogy. Please point me to any link where there was opposition to the building of gunshops or shooting ranges in Oklahoma City.


Not really. Or are you saying all conservatives, hold the same political thoughts that Mr. McVeigh and Mr. Nicholas, held? In which case, all conservatives, are open to the idea of commiting violent and destructive attacks on the USA?

Sorry, I dont think that's true. The extreme conservatives, just like the extreme muslims, are open to such ideas. And both, make their respected philosophies look bad for 'taking matters in to their own hands', because 'the ends justify the means'. You may not have studied the militia movement back in the 90's. Some pretty scary stuff; makes the crap on Fox News sound tame and sane.

Now, why would conservative Christians, oppose a church being built? Why would muslims be opposed to a mosque being built? SAME ARGUEMENT. They (the Christians) would argue, it would be to help heal the community of such a great tragedy (In Oklahoma City). Why do these muslims want to build a mosqu? To help heal the suffering of another, great tragey (in NYC). SAME REASON, given. Why is it 'ok' for one but 'an insult' to another? Please tell me.

Besides, did Mr. Clinton try to exploit and milk 4/19/1995 for every drop it was worth? HELL NO! Did Mr. Bush try to exploit and milk 9/11/2001 for every drop it was worth? OH Hell Yeah! Or do you have legitimate links that say Mr. bush did not exploit 9/11 for political points? And those links can refute, that it was not Mr. Bush, that said Iraq and Saddam Hussein were directly helping the attackers of 9/11....justifying the reason to attack Iraq?

You got the burdern of evidence to come up with, taniatv.

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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/17/2010 7:51:37 AM   
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They do understand that people who lost loved ones in 911 might be a little upset by this building don't they?




You do realize many Muslims died on 9-11


Why would the family's of the muslims who died on 9-11 be upset by the building of a mosque?

I don't get what you are attempting to say.



What I am saying is that Christians do not own Ground Zero.... and Muslims died there too. It is not a complex idea to get that some of those people are Muslims and building a cultural center FIVE BLOCKS AWAY isn't going to hurt anybody

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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/17/2010 8:10:08 AM   
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RE: Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero com... - 8/17/2010 8:21:45 AM   
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I didn't realize it was " Christians " who were opposing this project. I thought it was a mixed bag of people of different faiths and or no faith. And * gasp * even some Muslim folks.

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Yet, there is a Christian church right next to Ground Zero...my comments weren't about the protesters

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