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Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/16/2010 5:51:44 PM   
MasterJohnSteed


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Status: offline 		A friend of mine sent me a photo of Obama with the caption "Welcome Back Carter" and while I  smirked, It got me to thinking.

In 1979 during the Iran Hostage Crisis, Jimmy Carter gave approval to "Operation Eagle Claw" which was the attempted rescue of the 52 American Hostages which went south and wound up killing the would be rescuers.

The grinding thought is this, with Obama's Apology to the Islamic world, If something like the Iran Hostage Crisis or 9/11, happened on this man's watch would He really have the nerve to step up to the plate and do something about it. Or would he like Jimmy Carter twiddle his thumbs and say "well I tried" and never do anything to bring the criminals to Justice.

Obama's current engagement in Iraq and Afghanistan are more something that he's been saddled with and not something he started. The US Military's Current policy is COIN, which boils down to the Peace Corps with guns.

What I guess I am really asking here, "Do you think Obama has the Brass Balls to protect America from an attack, or do we have to wait for another republican to do that?"



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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/16/2010 6:29:30 PM   
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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/16/2010 10:19:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJohnSteed



What I guess I am really asking here, "Do you think Obama has the Brass Balls to protect America from an attack, or do we have to wait for another republican to do that?"




Wait for another republican? No, that wouldn't be necessary. I think Obama'd have the brains to invade the right fucking country.


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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 8:08:13 AM   
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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 10:01:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Obama's Shadow War against terrorists is expanding. Try to stay current. Read a newspaper now and then instead of cartoonish photos.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/15/world/15shadowwar.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=shadow%20war&st=cse

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 11:06:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		You mean like the way Regan brought those terrorist to justice by securing the captives release with a missile deal?  Yes he did make them pay, literally many dollars.  

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 11:37:23 AM   
joether


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Status: offline 		You mean, MasterJohnSteed....

...By going after the guy that attacked us on 9/11, by taking a 'flanking manuever' all the way to Iraq? Then accusing that nation of holding 'Weapons of Mass Destruction'?

Unlike Mr. Bush, Mr. Obama has done and will do, just fine on the foreign policy front.

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 3:15:01 PM   
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You mean like the way Regan brought those terrorist to justice by securing the captives release with a missile deal?  Yes he did make them pay, literally many dollars.  

Let's not forget Reagan abandoning Lebanon like the pants pissing coward he was after the Beirut bombing.

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 3:44:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJohnSteed

A friend of mine sent me a photo of Obama with the caption "Welcome Back Carter" and while I  smirked, It got me to thinking.

In 1979 during the Iran Hostage Crisis, Jimmy Carter gave approval to "Operation Eagle Claw" which was the attempted rescue of the 52 American Hostages which went south and wound up killing the would be rescuers.

The grinding thought is this, with Obama's Apology to the Islamic world, If something like the Iran Hostage Crisis or 9/11, happened on this man's watch would He really have the nerve to step up to the plate and do something about it. Or would he like Jimmy Carter twiddle his thumbs and say "well I tried" and never do anything to bring the criminals to Justice.

Obama's current engagement in Iraq and Afghanistan are more something that he's been saddled with and not something he started. The US Military's Current policy is COIN, which boils down to the Peace Corps with guns.

What I guess I am really asking here, "Do you think Obama has the Brass Balls to protect America from an attack, or do we have to wait for another republican to do that?"




You mean like that Republican hero Bush who brought Osama Bin Laden to justice?





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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 3:55:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I should not be surprised, nor I suppose should you, at the anger and vitriol of the first eight responses to your OP. Liberalism is, after all, based in emotion; 0WS (0bama0 Worship Syndrome) is one of its more extreme manifestations.

That 0bama0 is deeply ashamed of America is clear.
But - his prosecution of the war in Afghanistan, his use of drones, the "shadow war", all make clear to me that he is also willing to defend the country

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 5:14:44 PM   
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the mega elite call the shots.   Not any president.

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 5:26:53 PM   
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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 5:30:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I am very happy to know that a kinkster is privy to all the secrets and conspiracies.


..as hope and change ooozes from your icon.   LOL

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 5:33:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I should not be surprised, nor I suppose should you, at the anger and vitriol of the first eight responses to your OP. Liberalism is, after all, based in emotion; 0WS (0bama0 Worship Syndrome) is one of its more extreme manifestations.

That 0bama0 is deeply ashamed of America is clear.
But - his prosecution of the war in Afghanistan, his use of drones, the "shadow war", all make clear to me that he is also willing to defend the country
Strictly on the intelligence level contained(or lack thereof) in the OP, what would you say neo conism is based on?
If we concede liberalism is based on emotion....would you cencede that neo-conism is based on sheer stupidity?

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 6:10:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJohnSteed
"Do you think Obama has the Brass Balls to protect America from an attack?"





As long as he gets a chance for a do-over after blowing it on his first swing.

Of course, that isn't something we can always count on.

Wanna keep talking about that ship captain, Ken? Or did you forget how the Navy just stood around scratching their balls during his escape attempt?

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 6:12:22 PM   
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would you cencede that neo-conism is based on sheer stupidity?


I cencede nothing of the sort.
I admit, however, that I never really understood a definition of "neo-conservative".

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 6:19:44 PM   
thornhappy


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I thought the Obama Worship Syndrome an interesting bookend to Obama Derangement Syndrome.

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 6:19:56 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		And yet you feel fully qualified to describe liberalism as being rooted solely in emotion......convienent for you that you can dismiss what are your political oppisites in such a disparaging way....while still laying claim to some sort of intellectual political highground.
Perhaps conservatism(since you don't like neo-cons) is actually rooted in pure arrogance?

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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 6:47:23 PM   
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Revisionist history extreme conservative right wing reactionary backward-looking lying freaks.

Reactionary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Usage and history

The French Revolution gave the English language two politically descriptive words denoting anti-progressive politics: reactionary and conservative. Reactionary derives from the French word réactionnaire (an early nineteenth-century coinage), and conservative from conservateur, identifying monarchist parliamentarians opposed to the revolution.[2] In this French usage, reactionary denotes "a movement towards the reversal of an existing tendency or state" and a "return to a previous condition of affairs." The Oxford English Dictionary cites the first English-language usage was by John Stuart Mill, in 1840: "The philosophers of the reactionary school—of the school to which Coleridge belongs".[3]

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

would you cencede that neo-conism is based on sheer stupidity?


I cencede nothing of the sort.
I admit, however, that I never really understood a definition of "neo-conservative".


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RE: Operation Eagle Claw 2010 - 8/17/2010 6:54:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brain

Revisionist history extreme conservative right wing reactionary backward-looking lying freaks.

You're not exactly helping to dispel the notion that liberalism is based on emotion, yanno.

K.

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