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Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at Groun... - 8/17/2010 8:53:23 AM   
maybemaybenot


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Status: offline 		The same folks < NYC Officials> who are doing everything possible to make sure a new Mosque and Cultural Center will be constructed, are having a hard time giving a Greek Orthodox Church permission to REBUILD their church at Ground Zero.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38462

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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 8:56:06 AM   
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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 9:06:56 AM   
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OK, how about some words straight from the horses mouth. Mayor Bloomberg. Who admits there have been problems with the Port Authority and says they are working on it. Seems to me it didn't take much " working on it " to give carte blanche to the Mosque developers.

Said Bloomberg in answer to this morning's caller:
"It's been a bone of contention [between] the church and the Port Authority. And I've gotten involved mainly because the archbishop lives directly across the street from me, and he comes out with his staff and we chit-chat. He doesn't come over to borrow a cup of coffee, but that's okay. And I think they're very close [to] working with the Port Authority to find a location down there. There was one, I think the church wanted it, but it didn't fit in with the Port Authority plans because it would have interfered with other things, but there will be a new church built down there. And Chris Ward, the executive director of the Port Authority, I know is working with the Greek Orthodox Church to try to find some ways to get this done."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitics/2010/08/mayor-bloomberg-says-deal-to-r.html#ixzz0wsbrjK00                       mbmbn
 


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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 9:33:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, right across the street from Ground Zero might be hard to get permission to rebuild... seeing it is being slated to become a tourist trap. It isn't religious intolerance at play here I am betting, but they might want to build a Starbucks there.

The CULTURAL CENTER isn't anywhere near ground zero, so this might be why they are having a much easier time of it

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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 9:47:34 AM   
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"Trouble emerged after St. Nicholas announced its plans to build a traditional Greek Orthodox church building, 24,000 square feet in size, topped with a grand dome. Port Authority officials told the church to cut back the size of the building and the height of the proposed dome, limiting it to rising no higher than the World Trade Center memorial."

That is where things went sour, not location.

So why then can the Mosque rise above the World Trade Center Memorial ?

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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 9:49:42 AM   
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Somehow, I think there is probably more to that story.

It seems so (and btw, it's pretty old stuff) http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008020019

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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 10:00:22 AM   
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So why then can the Mosque rise above the World Trade Center Memorial


It isn't a mosque, and the zoning is different because, and I want you to understand this CLEARLY....

The cultural center is not on ground zero



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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 10:07:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tinstaafl

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Somehow, I think there is probably more to that story.

It seems so (and btw, it's pretty old stuff) http://mediamatters.org/blog/201008020019



Thanks, as usual, people like to run around spreading half the truth rather than the whole truth to further their own agendas.

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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 10:32:56 AM   
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So why then can the Mosque rise above the World Trade Center Memorial


It isn't a mosque, and the zoning is different because, and I want you to understand this CLEARLY....

The cultural center is not on ground zero




OK julia. It isn't a Mosque. It houses a Mosque. Is that better ? When addressing the subject with you I will now refer to it as a Cultural Center which includes a Mosque.

"It will include a culinary school, gym and basketball court, swimming pool, a Sept. 11 memorial and contemplation space, and “a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community.”

http://www.park51.org/vision.htm

I'm well aware of where this Cultural Center which includes a Mosque is being built. It has nothing to do with the REBUILDING of the Greek Orthodox Church, imo. It's curious to me that you can find excuses to support denying a Church, which was destroyed my Muslim extremists, permission to rebuild where they already owned property. Or at least in the general neighborhood. DIdn't you say aomething about a sad day for religious tolerance ? Ok,,, that's fine.... but if you are going to go to bat for the Cultural Center which includes a Mosque, full throttle... why not some outcry or sympathy for the Greek Orthodox who are meeting a brick wall trying to rebuild their Church. < rhuetorical question, no need to answer >
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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 10:36:16 AM   
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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 10:41:19 AM   
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Thanks, as usual, people like to run around spreading half the truth rather than the whole truth to further their own agendas.

Speaking of people posting stuff to further their own agendas, did you ever find out why that "Jewish woman" was still on the air?

K.

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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 10:45:46 AM   
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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 10:50:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read it Young. It doesn't change a thing in my mind. The Church was a go, up until the point it wanted to be higher than the WTT Memorial. And to be totally honest with you, I have seen no FoxNews coverage of the Greek Church, nor any coverage on any other station. I am only aware of this story because my sister in law is Greek Orthodox and her family lives in Brooklyn and are quite familiar with the issues.

Yes, I have been to Manhatan many many times in my 53 years.

As a side note: I agree that the law allows for this Cultural Center, including a Mosque to be built. I oppose it on humanitarian principles, but I cannot argue for it not to be allowed to be built from a Constitutional POV. As I wrote somewhere else my opposition is not political nor religious... it is strictly from a human standpoint.

I simply see the difference of treatment between Park51 and the Greek Orthoxs as being prejudicial at best.

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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 11:06:16 AM   
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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 11:06:30 AM   
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The same folks < NYC Officials> who are doing everything possible to make sure a new Mosque and Cultural Center will be constructed, are having a hard time giving a Greek Orthodox Church permission to REBUILD their church at Ground Zero.

Despite the common element that both structures will house a place of religious worship, the differences between the issues involved seems to me to make them difficult to compare. I would like to see the rebuilding of St. Nicholas get more consideration. But politicians always gravitate toward the loudest noise, and I don't think you can make anything more out of it than that.

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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 11:11:12 AM   
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It houses a Mosque.


No, on the top floor is a place set aside to pray. You see, just in case you did not know, Muslims have to pray at certain times of the day and they cannot pray around women or non-Muslims. I have left the room to allow Muslim men to pray, that did not make that room a Mosque. If the building were a mosque no other activities would be allowed there. Your claim is like saying a hospital is a church because it contains a chapel.... seriously

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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 12:02:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have an idea.........since religioun seems to be the root of all evil today, let's just ban ALL churches/buildings associated with organized religioun and be done with it!!! Clean swipe all across the board. You wanna pray, do it at home!

Yay! Problem solved!


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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 12:22:42 PM   
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As it is- I am eyeing a closer church.

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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 12:43:20 PM   
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I have an idea.........since religioun seems to be the root of all evil today, let's just ban ALL churches/buildings associated with organized religioun and be done with it!!! Clean swipe all across the board. You wanna pray, do it at home!

Yay! Problem solved!



I think people not religion are the root of all evil... I say kill them all except for my chosen few...better be nice to me.

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RE: Greek Orthodox Church given trouble rebuilding at G... - 8/17/2010 12:54:08 PM   
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