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The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 12:02:35 PM   
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The Christian Index Project seeks to address the religion-politics relationship question. A contentious issue between Christian and non-Christian politicians and political groups, as well as between ordinary Bible-believing Christians and the secular states in which they live, in some of which separation of Church and State is a foundational concept, evolves around the right balance between institutions of policital power and authority and institutions of religious power and authority, and whether the modern nation state in which Christians live should be a secular or a religious (i.e., Christian) state.

After years of work, the Christian Index Project's working team has achieved consensus on a final structure on philosophy, methodology, and approach to providing the general public, opinion leaders, and state officials with a Christian legal benchmark for measuring the "Christianness" of a state.

In addition to publishing The Christian Index book, comprised of the essays and deliberations of the project's religious scholars, and giving the Index's theoretical foundations, the Christian Index Project will also present the Annual State of the Christian World Index. This index, which involves a partnership with the Gallup Organization, will poll people from Christian-majority nations on how well their nations comply in practice with the Christian legal benchmark for a Christian State.

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 12:44:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your point kinda falls flat, there isn't really a 'Jesus law system' in the same way there's Sharia. Never has been. It seems to me that the 'sharianess' of all nations except Somalia is decreasing....see the new, saner, boss of Turkmenistan...womens rights movements in Arabia & Iran, new regime in Afghanistan, etc....

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 12:48:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		His point fell flat? He said he was not sure what to make of this and then posted a link. What point are you talking about?

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 12:59:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure what to make of it either.  It sounds like that old 'competing with the Joneses (or Christian Joneses, in this issue).  I detest the mentality of my anything is better than your anything.  I guess that would make me a horrid Christian.

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 1:08:07 PM   
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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 1:43:56 PM   
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His point fell flat? He said he was not sure what to make of this and then posted a link. What point are you talking about?


Did you read the link?

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 3:11:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Not sure what to make of this... comments?

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The Christian Index Project seeks to address the religion-politics relationship question. A contentious issue between Christian and non-Christian politicians and political groups, as well as between ordinary Bible-believing Christians and the secular states in which they live, in some of which separation of Church and State is a foundational concept, evolves around the right balance between institutions of policital power and authority and institutions of religious power and authority, and whether the modern nation state in which Christians live should be a secular or a religious (i.e., Christian) state.

After years of work, the Christian Index Project's working team has achieved consensus on a final structure on philosophy, methodology, and approach to providing the general public, opinion leaders, and state officials with a Christian legal benchmark for measuring the "Christianness" of a state.

In addition to publishing The Christian Index book, comprised of the essays and deliberations of the project's religious scholars, and giving the Index's theoretical foundations, the Christian Index Project will also present the Annual State of the Christian World Index. This index, which involves a partnership with the Gallup Organization, will poll people from Christian-majority nations on how well their nations comply in practice with the Christian legal benchmark for a Christian State.

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K.

Both the original and your changes strike me as monumentally silly butthen I'm an atheist who fervently wishes all the god botherers would find some nice isolated spot to kill each other in and leave the rest of us alone.

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 3:41:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Not sure what to make of this... comments?

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The Christian Index Project seeks to address the religion-politics relationship question. A contentious issue between Christian and non-Christian politicians and political groups, as well as between ordinary Bible-believing Christians and the secular states in which they live, in some of which separation of Church and State is a foundational concept, evolves around the right balance between institutions of policital power and authority and institutions of religious power and authority, and whether the modern nation state in which Christians live should be a secular or a religious (i.e., Christian) state.

After years of work, the Christian Index Project's working team has achieved consensus on a final structure on philosophy, methodology, and approach to providing the general public, opinion leaders, and state officials with a Christian legal benchmark for measuring the "Christianness" of a state.

In addition to publishing The Christian Index book, comprised of the essays and deliberations of the project's religious scholars, and giving the Index's theoretical foundations, the Christian Index Project will also present the Annual State of the Christian World Index. This index, which involves a partnership with the Gallup Organization, will poll people from Christian-majority nations on how well their nations comply in practice with the Christian legal benchmark for a Christian State.

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Why did you feel a need to change the article?

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 4:16:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lets see if I understand you Kirata,

Would any one of us, behave differently, if the website, were posted as another religion (in you example, Christianity)? As people on these boards, lump one group, that makes up a piece of the whole of that religion, to be a 'fair' representation of the whole itself. As your site, Cordobain, are the folks with the mosque that is currently being 'in debate' around the United States (correct me if I'm wrong). And the understanding at current, is that, yes, for conservatives, this group, believes the exact same attitude as those that attacked the USA on 9/11/2001. For liberals, it seems, the two are very seperate entities; but not only that, both are individual entities of the greater entity: Islam.

Still, as you pointed out, there is the concept of 'Seperation of Church and State'; while not directly listed in the US Constitution, it is consider a very important philosophy to follow. There are hundreds of Christian groups, that advocate largely the same concepts this particular groups had....from a Christian standpoint. What is the difference between this group philosophy, and those hundreds of Christian groups that advocate largely the same ideas?

I would argue that 'peace' and 'forgiveness' give more to a community, then 'violence' and 'hatred'. When a people sit, talk, in a calm manner, with patience and reason, the outcome is usually a mutual profit. When a people resort to anger, anomosity, and destruction, the only thing that comes from it, are alot of funerals. Which should be the 'Norm' for America and her citizens? And which should we avoid?

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 6:25:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		They're going to have to come up with some standard definition of Shariah law; just look at the differences between Saudi Arabia and Egypt, or Indonesia.

I don't find this any different than a variety of Christian groups that rate politicians, states, countries, etc.

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 7:07:27 PM   
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There is one standard for Shariah law, the Quran. The differences are in how strictly it is enforced.

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They're going to have to come up with some standard definition of Shariah law; just look at the differences between Saudi Arabia and Egypt, or Indonesia.

I don't find this any different than a variety of Christian groups that rate politicians, states, countries, etc.



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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 7:09:38 PM   
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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 7:13:46 PM   
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There is one standard for Shariah law, the Quran. The differences are in how strictly it is enforced.
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They're going to have to come up with some standard definition of Shariah law; just look at the differences between Saudi Arabia and Egypt, or Indonesia.

I don't find this any different than a variety of Christian groups that rate politicians, states, countries, etc.


No, it also includes the Sunnah, and there are a variety of interpretations required to address situations not covered in the Quran or the Sunnah.  Different sets of judges may come up with different interpretations.

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 7:17:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kirata, started a thread!

I have never heard of the Christian Index Project, very, very, interesting.
So they think they can realistically measure the "Christianness" of a state?

Whatever gets people through the night.
I don't think highly of the "Christian Index Project", or the members.
Maybe I just need to learn more about them, one day.


Thanks mr. understated handsome!


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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 7:37:22 PM   
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Kirata, started a thread!

I have never heard of the Christian Index Project, very, very, interesting.
So they think they can realistically measure the "Christianness" of a state?

Whatever gets people through the night.
I don't think highly of the "Christian Index Project", or the members.
Maybe I just need to learn more about them, one day.


Thanks mr. understated handsome!

Go read the link.  It's a rating on how Islamic a country is.

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 7:44:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		hi thorny, I clicked on the link and started reading about "The Cordoba Initiative/Shariah Index Project, I read a few lines, and it started giving me a headache.

Sometimes you all are too deep for me.
I need something a bit trashier tonight.

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 7:57:57 PM   
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Interesting.

I'm guessing that the point of the Firm-style bait and switch was to see if folks would voice horror at Christians' doing such a thing, only to be chagrined that it was a Muslim initiative.

I'm not quite sure what the point of the Shariah Index is. Are folks gonna migrate to more (or less?) "Islamic" states?

I suppose it's an interesting reminder that not everyone shares our Western sense of separation of church and state--and a caution, imho, to be careful about neglecting it.

A Christian Index Project could be fascinating, since it would be a challenge to decide what a Christian state would look like.

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/17/2010 9:13:16 PM   
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I'm guessing that the point of the Firm-style bait and switch was to see if folks would voice horror at Christians' doing such a thing, only to be chagrined that it was a Muslim initiative...

I suppose it's an interesting reminder that not everyone shares our Western sense of separation of church and state--and a caution, imho, to be careful about neglecting it.

Sorry about that. Heh. But yes, if a Christian Index Project really existed, I feel reasonably certain that there would be much unpleasant said about it.

This is a piece of work by a bunch of zealots who seek, in contrast to a complete separation of Church and State, rather the "right balance" between political and religious authority, and who have developed a "methology" to encourage the public and political leaders to judge their states by the extent to which they "comply" with the project's "benchmarks" for what constitutes evidence of the "right" amount of power being vested in the state's religious authorities.

This is what is called "improving Muslim-West relations" by the Cordoba Initiative and our good friend the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, about whose plans not an unflattering peep may be uttered without it being attributed to religious intolerance against Muslims.

Credit where due, Rauf is orders of magnitude slicker than Fred Phelps. But it isn't "religious intolerance" that detests them both.

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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/18/2010 5:52:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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His point fell flat? He said he was not sure what to make of this and then posted a link. What point are you talking about?


Did you read the link?



Yes, I did. And I also am not sure what to make of it.

edited to add: ok, after reading Tazzy's post, I  not only looked at the link, but compared it to the clip in the OP. I am sorry about that Woody, it went right over my head.


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RE: The Christian Index Project - 8/18/2010 7:44:49 AM   
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This is what is called "improving Muslim-West relations" by the Cordoba Initiative


I was quite disheartened, to be honest, to learn that this was a Cordoba project. I don't see how it improves cross-cultural relations.

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