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Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Freddie - 8/19/2010 11:52:00 PM   
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Barney Frank said he's been wrong about Fannie and Freddie and that they need to find a better way; that the government has to stop pushing people into mortgages they can't afford, and has to stop pushing banks into making those bad loans.


Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Freddie

Yesterday, Massachusetts Representative Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee called for the dissolution of mortgage giants Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, saying “they should be abolished. The only question is what do you put in their place?”

Frank continued “There is no more hybrid private-public. If we want to subsidize housing then we could do it upfront and let the budget be clear about that”. Frank emphasized that whatever replaces Fannie and Freddie should be self-financing.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were seized by the federal government in 2008. Since that time, the Obama Administration has pledged unlimited capital (taxpayer money) to backstop the agencies. Thus far, $150 billion has been poured into Freddie and Fannie. The Congressional Budget Office estimates the total bailout will run around $400 billion, whilst others say it will cost closer to $1 trillion dollars (that’s twelve zeros, people). Bear in mind that the bailout of Fannie and Freddie is in essence a backdoor bailout of banks that made risky loans.

http://www.totalmortgage.com/blog/mortgage-rates/barney-frank-calls-for-dissolution-of-fannie-and-freddie/5671





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RE: Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Fr... - 8/20/2010 10:45:21 AM   
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http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080924145932.aspx

Barney Frank= Band Wagon Jumper, extrodinaire.

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RE: Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Fr... - 8/20/2010 11:53:05 AM   
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The private banks will not write mortgages at affordable rates without Govt guarantees.

It's on the govt balance sheet no matter what you name it.

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RE: Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Fr... - 8/20/2010 12:02:07 PM   
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The private banks will not write mortgages at affordable rates without Govt guarantees.

It's on the govt balance sheet no matter what you name it.


They will write mortgages based on competitive rates and realistic underwriting standards. All that is needed is reinstatement of usury laws that accomodate variable rates. The result is that individuals will pay the risk premium for their own mortgages instead of the taxpayers.

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RE: Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Fr... - 8/20/2010 12:07:30 PM   
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quote:

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The private banks will not write mortgages at affordable rates without Govt guarantees.

It's on the govt balance sheet no matter what you name it.


They will write mortgages based on competitive rates and realistic underwriting standards. All that is needed is reinstatement of usury laws that accomodate variable rates. The result is that individuals will pay the risk premium for their own mortgages instead of the taxpayers.


Yes, I understand of course but do you think those premiums would be affordable for most? Without Fed mgt guarantee would not the risk premium have to be very high.. credit card high for many?

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RE: Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Fr... - 8/20/2010 1:55:17 PM   
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quote:

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The private banks will not write mortgages at affordable rates without Govt guarantees.

It's on the govt balance sheet no matter what you name it.


They will write mortgages based on competitive rates and realistic underwriting standards. All that is needed is reinstatement of usury laws that accomodate variable rates. The result is that individuals will pay the risk premium for their own mortgages instead of the taxpayers.


Yes, I understand of course but do you think those premiums would be affordable for most? Without Fed mgt guarantee would not the risk premium have to be very high.. credit card high for many?


Irrelevant, isnt it? If their credit sucks or they want more house than they can afford why should taxpayers subsidize their mortgage rate? It should have very little impact on the overall housing market (compared to eliminating the mortgage interest dedcution which would decimate the net worth of much of the middle class).

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RE: Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Fr... - 8/20/2010 5:05:01 PM   
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There is a tremendous amount of misunderstanding and misinformation that surrounds this issue - the housing crisis. The media has done a pretty good job of not telling the real story, and this for various reasons. Some of those include corporate control and some are as mundane as not being able to package a story this lengthy and complex in a 2 1/2 minute segment. I've interviewed with 4 different newspapers (local), totaling approximately 16 hours in all, and none of them has run a story based on our interviews. They've all said the story is beyond the comprehension level of the readers. I'm  not sure I agree with that but I'm not the editor.

Beyond Matt Tiaibi with Rolling Stone, Andy Kroll with Mother Jones, Gretchen Morgenson with NYT and Amir Efrati with WSJ I'm not aware of any "main street" publication reporters that have given the issue consistent and long term research and coverage. Morgenson and Efrati have been the most voluminous and I've provided some of the research for both of them, but never a formal interview. There has been some coverage in some of the trade journals but I don't consider those to be "main street" publications. There has also been some coverage in other sources but it has not been as deep, as well researched or as consistently presented or published. I haven't seen everything so I expect I've missed some of it, but I do an awful lot of reading on this.

To begin with there was no massive conspiracy of home owners - which would need to include quite literally millions of them - to go out and lie on loan applications. Nor was there anything similar in relation to knowingly purchasing more house than they could afford. Think about it for a minute. It is simply not possible that millions of people simultaneously decided to wreck and destabilize their own lives by forcing the banks to repossess their homes, by forcing the collapse of the banking system, by forcing a taxpayer bailout of the banks, by forcing unemployment to reach double digits, etc.

Any large scale bad behavior falls at the feet of the players on the other side of the transactions, which could include Realtors, appraisers, mortgage brokers at every level, loan originators, agregators.... This list can become quite large. Accept that it includes all of the players up to and including the wall street wizards that created, packaged and sold the synthetic collateralized debt obligations and the credit default swaps. All of the other parties to the transactions were profiting from them. As the character of "Deepthroat" said in the late 70's film "All the Presidents Men" said, "Follow the money."

This quote in the OP is way off base: "that the government has to stop pushing people into mortgages they can't afford, and has to stop pushing banks into making those bad loans." To disprove that image that has so effectively been presented by the media, and to disprove that statement and others like it, is really an easy thing. Simply read the lending laws that were on the books at the time those millions of loans were being made and it is clear that "lenders" were involved in systemically violating those laws. Should anyone have the interest to read these laws (Truth in Lending Act, AKA, Regulation Z, and Home Owners Equity Protection Act) they are found here:

http://www.fdic.gov/regulations/laws/rules/6500-1400.html#fdictail

Whether they have been intentionally complicit or not it is certainly true that those charged with regulating and enforcing lending and securities laws failed utterly at their duties in the ramp up to this mess. Sadly it is also appearing that they are largely unwilling to do their jobs on the backside as well. Consider the SEC suit against Goldman Sachs. That suit was settled in amount of $550 million. Goldman makes that amount in a matter of days, thus that penalty really isn't much of a penalty at all. There have not yet been any criminal convictions in that matter, and though there are charges outstanding it is very limited in scope.

Most of the litigation that is occurring is being done privately, rather than by our regulatory agencies, state AG's, or US AG.

By failing to enforce and penalize in accordance with the magnitude of the violations, and the damage done to everyday people, the perpetrators have been allowed to enrich themselves through their bad deeds. Crime does pay, it seems, when it is more profitable to break laws, litigate, loose or settle, then pay a pittance of the ill gotten booty in penalty than it is to follow the laws.

An interesting turn in has occurred in the past several months. The large purchasers (these parties can and have included pension funds, insurance companies, municipalities, cities and states, and all of those are both domestic and foreign) of certificates in mortgage backed security pools, or trusts, have begun filing suit against the trusts for fraud and misrepresentation. The trusts acted as "middle men" on both sides of the transactions. They collected money from investors by preselling  certificates (shares, if you will) and then went out and funded mortgages, that hadn't yet been written, through networks of originators and brokers. What is clear is that they defrauded the parties on both ends, and having positioned themselves in the middle, reaped hefty profits. But the loans being written for homeowners violated the lending laws referenced above (as well as others) and the packaging and selling of the certificates was misrepresented to investors. The latter was done with the assistance of the rating agencies, e.g., Fitch, Moody's, Standard and Poor, so there were numerous violations of securities laws.

Another interesting wrinkle is that private mortgage insurance carriers (PMI, Radian, MGAC, etc.) have been denying claims on foreclosed properties being submitted by these trusts and have been rescinding policies. The language written into these policies says, in layman's terms, "We're issuing these policies based on representaions made to us by others and we haven't researched the underlying loans at all. We rely on these representations as being true and accurate and that all loans are fully compliant with all laws. However, should it ever become known that any of these loans involved any violations of state or federal laws then, quite simply, we aren't going to pay. Further, we'll retroactively cancel the policies because nonconforming loans were never available for policies anyway." These carriers have skin in the game and now that the numbers of claims is skyrocketing, and to protect themselves, they're beginning to do the underlying research. Funny, but some of these insurance companies also invested in mortgage backed securities.

Fannie and Freddy have also been doing underlying research of their own. They've been stuck with a lot of this bad paper. So, in accordance with the terms of the purchase agreements, Fannie and Freddy are forcing originating lenders to buy back the bad paper. Trouble is the originators don't have any money now, and in fact never did. Originators were using money that was supplied by the investors and were merely acting as conduits.

It is our banking sector that dreamed up the plans and put them in place. Whether it intended these results is open to debate. But at present the house of cards is still in process of falling down, and will be directly for a while to come. There will be numerous other "ripple effects" for some time after that. It won't surprise me if we loose several decades before the country recovers socially and economically.







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RE: Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Fr... - 8/20/2010 7:00:46 PM   
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When I bought my first house in 1980, I needed to put 20% down. If that rule had stayed in effect for the last 30 years we would not be in the mess we are in now.

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RE: Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Fr... - 8/20/2010 7:40:20 PM   
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In addition to malfeasance and ineptitude, I think a large part of the crash occured simply because periodic booms and crashes are a normal part of the unregulated business cycle.

There is an Invisible Hand; but the problem is the Invisible Hand bitchslaps the marketplace on occasion- what, did anyone think that the Marketplace (pause to genuflect) is watched over by a benevolent God who always cares for your 401(k) like the Good Shepherd watching his flock?

When systems- especially systems run by mortals- are allowed to run without any control or guidance, they inevitably careen into chaos.


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RE: Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Fr... - 8/20/2010 8:35:12 PM   
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In addition to malfeasance and ineptitude, I think a large part of the crash occured simply because periodic booms and crashes are a normal part of the unregulated business cycle.

There is an Invisible Hand; but the problem is the Invisible Hand bitchslaps the marketplace on occasion- what, did anyone think that the Marketplace (pause to genuflect) is watched over by a benevolent God who always cares for your 401(k) like the Good Shepherd watching his flock?

When systems- especially systems run by mortals- are allowed to run without any control or guidance, they inevitably careen into chaos.




There was a crash in 2000 and a crash in 2008. Look back post WW 2, they are coming too quickly to be coincidence. Maybe not conspiratorial but definately a serious systemic issue, doncha think?

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RE: Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Fr... - 8/20/2010 10:13:49 PM   
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I agree with this statement. The people you mentioned were doing wrong because they wanted to make money. They did whatever they had to do in order to generate business and profit.

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Any large scale bad behavior falls at the feet of the players on the other side of the transactions, which could include Realtors, appraisers, mortgage brokers at every level, loan originators, agregators.... This list can become quite large.

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RE: Barney Frank Calls For Dissolution of Fannie and Fr... - 8/21/2010 2:24:35 PM   
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I came across the below article from Reuters today and it speaks directly to my prior post here in terms of the fraud involved on both ends of the mortgage transactions. It mentions private investors forcing repurchase of nonconforming (loans that involved fraud, material misrepresentation, violations of statute, etc.) loans by the originators.

I had also said that rather than our regulators doing their jobs the litigation taking place is almost all civil in nature. Another way to put it is the government isn't doing its job and going after the criminals. Instead private parties are having to pursue civil remedies. The biggest problem at present is that even though we know there was fraud on both ends of the transactions homeowners that have been defrauded are still without sufficient resources to engage in a protracted legal battle.

Here is the link:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6736DZ20100804


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The Federal Reserve Bank of New York on Wednesday said it may try to force banks to repurchase bad home loans backing securities it holds, joining the ranks of other big investors who have been gaining momentum with identical demands. The effort from the New York Fed to boost the value of its Maiden Lane portfolio is similar to what U.S. mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have been doing as they try to hold accountable sources of irresponsible lending that caused steep losses.The investors are seeking to enforce representations and warranties that ensure the quality of loans put in bonds, such as residential mortgage-backed securities and collateralized debt obligations sold by Wall Street during the housing boom."Through our ongoing management of the Maiden Lane portfolios we are involved in multiple efforts related to exercising our rights as investors in non-agency RMBS or CDO securities including those that require originators to repurchase ineligible loans," Jack Gutt, a New York Fed spokesman, said in an e-mail.The three Maiden Lane funds combined held an average $67.4 billion in assets in the week ending July 28, Fed data shows.The Fed's acknowledgment comes after Reuters last month reported that investors representing $500 billion in bonds -- or a third of the private mortgage bond market -- said they have taken the biggest steps yet in their effort to force banks to repurchase loans sold in error.These investors have topped the key 25 percent threshold for voting rights on 2,300 "private-label" mortgage bonds, which will give them the ability to force trustees to act on repurchase requests. Investors heretofore have been frustrated by trustees and servicers, who have said they are limited in the information they can share."Investors have been getting organized, and soon there will be a very large effort to resolve this mortgage problem," said Bill Frey, president of Greenwich Financial, who has been working for bond investor rights for the past three years.The New York Fed's intentions on repurchases were first reported by Bloomberg News.Enforcement of representations and warranties is making a significant mark on banks, which have responded by boosting reserves and possibly pulling back on credit for homebuyers. The potential liability of the contracts has also been cited as an issue complicating Ally Financial's sale of Residential Capital, a major U.S. lender.Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the largest providers of U.S. mortgage funding that own or guarantee more than half the entire market, have been aggressive with repurchase demands of lenders. In the first quarter, Freddie Mac forced lenders to buy back $1.3 billion in the first quarter, and had nearly $5 billion in outstanding demands.Investors who have banded together represent more than $500 billion in securities managed for pension funds, 401(k) plans, endowments, and governments, according to a letter to trustees from Dallas-based attorney Talcott Franklin. The securities are private mortgage bonds issued by Wall Street firms that helped trigger the worst financial crisis since the 1930s.The New York Fed spokesman declined to comment when asked if the bank is participating in the broader investor effort, in which bond managers aggregated holdings in a clearing house developed by Franklin.(Additional reporting by Paritosh Bansal; Editing by Leslie Adler)

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