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CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/20/2006 11:02:50 PM

GirlwithBoots

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I'm quite new as a Domme and I'm extremely interested in exploring more CBT with my sub, but I'm worried about causing real damage. He's quite a pain slut and I could see going to far in my ignorance as he is very unlikely to use his safe word from shere pain. What should I avoid? How harsh can I get and not have to worry about causing serious problems?
Thanks in advance for your imput.

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/20/2006 11:14:11 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GirlwithBoots

I'm quite new as a Domme and I'm extremely interested in exploring more CBT with my sub, but I'm worried about causing real damage. He's quite a pain slut and I could see going to far in my ignorance as he is very unlikely to use his safe word from shere pain. What should I avoid? How harsh can I get and not have to worry about causing serious problems?
Thanks in advance for your imput.

I'm not a Mistress (and don't play one online) but I am also a pain slut and a big fan of CBT. One thing to be carefully of is breaking the penis. I'm serious. When it's very hard, it can be broken by bending it too radically.

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/20/2006 11:19:46 PM

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Try not to cut off his nuts.

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What should I avoid?

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/20/2006 11:32:38 PM

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Note to self, no breaking or cutting parts off. Check. *g*
What about hitting and slapping? Between my hands, like a clap, against his belly, or with the tongue of a belt? Anything to worry about?

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/20/2006 11:39:44 PM

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Well, it's hard to give advice because any direct blow to the testicles COULD cause serious damage. It probably won't, but it could. The obvious things to avoid are cutting off blood flow to the area and using machines or mechanisms that you don't have any direct control over (so hanging someone by the nuts isn't a great idea). Oh, and the warning about not breaking the penis was serious.

But some guys can take a ton of pain to the area. You might really be surprised. My practical advice would be to start tame and work your way up with a sub who knows that you're experimenting.

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/20/2006 11:43:45 PM

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quote:

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Note to self, no breaking or cutting parts off. Check. *g*
What about hitting and slapping? Between my hands, like a clap, against his belly, or with the tongue of a belt? Anything to worry about?

Yes and no. Hit them too hard and you could cause serious damage. The good news is that it doesn't take anywhere near the amount that would cause genuine harm to cause a lot of pain. I would recommend that you start softly and slowly work your way up. When you start getting the reaction you want, note how hard you were hitting them and set your limit at just a little bit harder.

Balls are a lot tougher than most guys admit. I know a guy who regularly has 65 lbs hung from his without damaging them.

What I love most about CBT is that a Domina doesn't have to go nearly hard enough to do real damage before she gets a very vocal reaction even from a stoic pain slut like myself.

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/20/2006 11:48:52 PM

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I highly recommend a short and inexpensive book "The Family Jewels" and we've discussed this before, so some good ideas on the thread.
http://www.collarchat.com/m_101782/mpage_1/key_CBT/tm.htm#101782
Good luck, M

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/21/2006 12:52:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GirlwithBoots

I'm quite new as a Domme and I'm extremely interested in exploring more CBT with my sub, but I'm worried about causing real damage. He's quite a pain slut and I could see going to far in my ignorance as he is very unlikely to use his safe word from shere pain. What should I avoid? How harsh can I get and not have to worry about causing serious problems?
Thanks in advance for your imput.

I love CBT. I don't recommend that anyone go as far as I have in this area, it's not for the faint of heart.

You can hit, punch, and slap the cock and balls but there are a few basic rules to follow.

-Lube is your friend. I recommend very simple mineral oil. Using plenty of it will allow you more playtime, and more frequent playtime because of the delicate skin that you will be slapping around.

-Never hit the balls in an up and inward motion. Unless your goal is to make your sub vomit and have a stomach ache for the next 2-3 days, or worse. You can smack them quite hard if your motion is down and away from the body. Same with the dick, and don't hit that unless it's hard.

-Go slowly and make sure that your partner knows that you are inexperienced and allow him to give you lots of feedback.

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/21/2006 3:16:25 AM

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I am quite into cbt and I have a lot of advice about it on my website you might find it useful http://www.tigerdom.com/html/penis_play.html

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/21/2006 5:19:47 AM

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MstrTiger I just went to your website and found it very informative and well done. You did a great job!

~Lashra

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/21/2006 6:45:01 AM

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(so hanging someone by the nuts isn't a great idea)

Damnit, I wanted to try that.

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/21/2006 12:10:01 PM

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I'd recommend chatting with yourMissTress---she's here on CM and the boards---She successfully nailed a sub's balls to a board----She's the best IMHO

ohhh and uhm I haven't perfected the trick where I tie his cock to the bumper of a hummer and drive off---I can't ever seem to hear the safeword over the squeal of the tires! <smiles> and welcome!

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/22/2006 1:14:57 AM

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Hello everyone, I have been wanting my mistress to nail my dick to a board. I have nail the edge of my dick head to a board myself just to see how it felt. It was fine with me and would enjoy mistress doing it to me. My questions are what if she put a nail through the middle of my dick and how far can she go with stepping on my balls and flattening them out. Are there any web sites out there to read and learn more about this. I really don't care for my male gentilia and would love to get rid of it,as I am a TS and want to be full time but I don't want her to feel bad about doing some permenant damage to me. I would like to thank you in advance for any help you might be able to give us.

Thank You,
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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/22/2006 2:00:28 AM

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Hi guys,
This 's the first time i've been on message board. .
Doms sound so great here .It'd be nice for me to discuss to them about the lifestyle. Anyway ,ppl have their own ways .Myself ,i'd like to let my doggy get an excitement among pains i give him , like a sunlight in a dark . he'll feel both hurt and excited at the same time ,lol .Thats really my pleasant .
Have a nice day ,all!

Miss Lily,

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/24/2006 8:06:33 AM

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quote:

I'm worried about causing real damage

GirlwithBoots
Find a mentor Dominant Mistress or Master with experiance in such things and learn from Their Guidance. If Your worried or hesitant and dont know what your doing, something WILL go wrong.
Your saying that You have a fear that the property will not use a safeword is allready a reason for flags
besides your inexperiance. Find some munchies or public dungeons in your area that has scenes of training in this practice BEFOR starting to * practice * Yourself on Your property. This and many other things are not something to go into cold turkey. Be S.S.C. and R.A.C.K.

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/24/2006 8:33:35 AM

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Great website, thank you for the info, not a lot of gay male D/s ers on this board are there? Why is that?

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/24/2006 9:46:57 AM

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everything everyone else said is good advice.

i would also say avoid twisting someones balls. you can squeeze them.. but twisting can be bad.

you can also use electroture for CBT- it's one of my favourites. this is the one we have http://www.extremerestraints.com/eros-tek-remote-power-unit-et-301r_298.html

they come with a lot of attachments that you can find here:
http://www.extremerestraints.com/electrosex-gear_43/

you can also see their selection of C/B toys under catergories.

there are more extreme things you can do, but it's best to wait until you feel comfortable. you can hit, kick, put out cigarettes, infuse them with saline, stretch their balls, catherization, fireplay, you can dip his whole cock & balls into a small vat of wax. you can stick a birthday candle in his urethra and light it while he's on his back.. it's a big mindfuck for them to see the flame burning down to his cock head.. plus it drips hot wax as it melts. you can punch, stomp pretty much anything as long as you use appropriate force. like someone said.. it takes a HELL of a lot of force to cause permanent harm than it does to cause significant pain. but certain motions like upward slapping and ball twisting can be worse than any overuse of pain.

oh.. and never hit anyone's balls when they're infused with saline.. this can cause super damage. there are also small whips and floggers used specifically for CBT. you can use the little ones that people hang on keychains, they're really good for CBT. good old ben gay and a slap to the balls is nice. or you can make him jerk off with coffee grounds or ben gay, crushed walnut shells in lotion while he kneels on rice.

i also like taking ginger root and carving it into thick slivers to swab the inside of someone's urethra. figging is real good for that and you can also carve a peeled piece and stick it in his ass (just make sure it's REALLY big and use it like a dildo while you still hold it)

the possibilities are endless and there are a lot of things you can do that will hurt and don't necessarily require a lot of skill, equipment, or damage. most of the stuff above you can find in your house

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/24/2006 10:28:23 AM

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i'm a little curious about something you said, EbonyFtshGoddess. i've never heard of infusing them with saline, could you describe that a bit more?

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/24/2006 10:33:22 AM

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I also start slow and work My way up with new submissives.
I have been surprised that most can handle quite a lot of weight hanging,but give them a slap and they have tears in their eyes.
Its what you hit them with as much as how hard you whack them.A flogger can be used harder than say a cane.

Wanna see a pair shrivel up...get a squirt bottle of ice cold water...use a spray setting not only does the submissive jump but you can watch that lil bag shrink to 1/2 its size....lmfao....I do love that one.

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RE: CBT - What are the safe limits on this? - 4/24/2006 11:00:58 AM

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quote:

i'm a little curious about something you said, EbonyFtshGoddess. i've never heard of infusing them with saline, could you describe that a bit more?

I'm actually writing an article for saline infusion right now for my friend's rubber fetish website.. saline infusion (or it's sometimes called saline injection).. is when you take a sterile saline solution and inject it in various body parts. it's typically practiced as part of gummi klinik or medical play fetish. but in rubber it's called gummi klinik because everything is focused on rubber in a very clinical setting with real procedures being done on rubber clad patients by rubber clad *nurses*.

basically you take the sterile saline solution.. usually a few hundred ml or how much ever a particular person can take. and you inject it into whatever body part you want. it takes a while to get all the saline into someone so you can sit it on an IV stand and perform other procedures. like electro play or make them hold an enema. whatever amuses me.

for males the typical place is their balls, penis and breast area (my TV slaves like this because they get tits for a day).. the saline is reabsorbed back into the body and it's entirely harmless.. it's only a sterile sodium chloride (salt water) solution. usually it takes like 24 -36 hours before it's absorbed depending upon how much you use, what area of the body is done, how often you do it, and how fast someones metabolism is. i always make sure my slaves have an unfettered weekend so they can sort of stay around the house or if they were used for a demo or something so he has time to let the saline reabsorb. but i have taken people out with HUGE balls in tight jeans just to humiliate them.

it's fun to do it on the tit area because it gives male slaves the ability to experience tits. but it's WAY painful.. a lot more painful than injecting the cock or balls because the saline has somewhere to go there. it just fills up the sack. it's really easy to acheive grapefruit sized testicles with little discomfort or cucumber sized penises because penile tissue is flexible too. but with breast tissue (unless he already has moobs) for most men is rather taught. so it stretches the skin more and hurts.. but oh well, no pain, no gain.

this is a link to an article i wrote about gummi klinik.. it explains it a bit more for people whom are new to this sort of SM play.. i finished the catherization article.. i just haven't sent it to him yet.. i'm working on the saline infusion one right now instead so this is sort of a timely topic..

http://lustlovelatex.com/articles/gummi-klinik.htm

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