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jlf1961 -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 2:51:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Maybe he's fed up of running a trucking company for a living?



I could think of a few good words to describe him, but I would get modded for using them.




Moonhead -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 2:52:33 PM)

Well, that's how he can post all of this drivel with impunity in the first place, isn't it?




jlf1961 -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 2:55:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Well, that's how he can post all of this drivel with impunity in the first place, isn't it?


Hey, I have gotten mod spanked four times in the last month, well, warnings. What gets me is that blatantly racist and bigoted statements go on.




Hippiekinkster -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 2:59:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Maybe he's fed up of running a trucking company for a living?

I thought the truckin was like in the Furry Freak Brothers comics. You know, like the Doo-Dah Man. [sm=dancer.gif]




jlf1961 -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 4:27:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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First, there is no legal way you can deny immigration to only one group of people, it has been tried in the past and was struck down.


This is so counterintuitive that I would just love to see more.

The US cannot, in your opinion/spin, chose who it wants to let int the country?



The original:

quote:

The New Colossus

By Emma Lazarus, 1883

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


The truckinslave section revision:

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor (except Muslims and Arabs),
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free (except Muslims and Arabs),
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore (except Muslims and Arabs).
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, (except Muslims and Arabs)
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Please note that truckinslave retains the right to exclude others in the future.




luckydawg -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 4:44:39 PM)

Thats jilfs way of admiting he is wrong, changing the subject




Elisabella -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 4:50:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Fair enough, perhaps, but certainly true of the Dims as well.


Exactly. Which is why saying they voted against the civil rights act is also disingenuous.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 5:00:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Hey, I have gotten mod spanked four times in the last month, well, warnings. What gets me is that blatantly racist and bigoted statements go on.


You mean that only your point of view is right and correct in all particulars, and anyone who disagrees with you is by definition racist and bigoted, and anything they say is racist and bigoted?

Inherent in your comments is that you are calling the mods racists and bigots as well.

I'd guess that's because they believed your comments were a violation of, or close to a violation of the TOS.

But, because you disagree with that position, they must be racists and bigots?

Did I get that right?

Perhaps you should read a little Willy Shakespeare ...

"The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves ..."

Firm




jlf1961 -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 5:11:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Hey, I have gotten mod spanked four times in the last month, well, warnings. What gets me is that blatantly racist and bigoted statements go on.


You mean that only your point of view is right and correct in all particulars, and anyone who disagrees with you is by definition racist and bigoted, and anything they say is racist and bigoted?

Inherent in your comments is that you are calling the mods racists and bigots as well.

I'd guess that's because they believed your comments were a violation of, or close to a violation of the TOS.

But, because you disagree with that position, they must be racists and bigots?

Did I get that right?

Perhaps you should read a little Willy Shakespeare ...

"The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in ourselves ..."

Firm




Excuse me, but anyone who paints a whole religion or ethnic group as only being bad, evil, inferior, or otherwise unacceptable is a racist and bigot. The definition is pretty much straight forward.

But, just for you:
rac·ism n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

big·ot
noun \ˈbi-gət\
Definition of BIGOT
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance




luckydawg -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 5:17:30 PM)

Then as Islam is neither a Racial or ethnic group, neither of those terms can be used in reference to Islam or Muslims.




FirmhandKY -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 5:18:37 PM)


Just like you paint all conservative posters with the same brush, huh?

But, back to my point ... you believe that the Mods are indeed racists and bigots?

Firm




Elisabella -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 5:19:33 PM)

"As" in this case means "such as," not "limited to."




MissSepphora1 -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 5:21:17 PM)

I came late to the fight, but I have some input.
Google these names:

Faleh Hassan Almaleki
Mohammed Riaz
Yaser Said
Muhammed Parvez
Abdalla Yones

These are just a few.  Now say there is religious freedom in Islam.




Rule -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 5:24:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Excuse me, but anyone who paints a whole religion or ethnic group as only being bad, evil, inferior, or otherwise unacceptable is a racist and bigot. The definition is pretty much straight forward.

Generalizations by definition are all inclusive, as is your comment which I made bold. It seems to me that with that generalization you hang yourself by your own words.

Everyone also knows that generalizations lack specificity and that it behooves one to ask for that specificity.




luckydawg -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 5:33:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

"As" in this case means "such as," not "limited to."



Psst, elisabella, you need to explain that to jilf, not me. Readback and see why he posted those definitions.




Lucylastic -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 5:37:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MissSepphora1

I came late to the fight, but I have some input.
Google these names:

Faleh Hassan Almaleki
Mohammed Riaz
Yaser Said
Muhammed Parvez
Abdalla Yones

These are just a few.  Now say there is religious freedom in Islam.

As usual your posts have zero to do with reality...who claimed there was freedom of religion in Islam???
Edited for double quote




jlf1961 -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 6:05:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Just like you paint all conservative posters with the same brush, huh?

But, back to my point ... you believe that the Mods are indeed racists and bigots?

Firm




I didnt say that, now did I.





jlf1961 -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 6:16:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


Just like you paint all conservative posters with the same brush, huh?

But, back to my point ... you believe that the Mods are indeed racists and bigots?

Firm




I have never made any claim that I was a conservative, or agree with their politics, agendas and/or stands on issues. When I owned my own business, I was a conservative, until conservative deregulation of the industry I was involved in deregulated me out of business.

Now why should I support, agree with or otherwise tolerate the same philosophy that shut me down.





FirmhandKY -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 6:22:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Just like you paint all conservative posters with the same brush, huh?

But, back to my point ... you believe that the Mods are indeed racists and bigots?

I didnt say that, now did I.


You seemed to infer it in post 443:

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Well, that's how he can post all of this drivel with impunity in the first place, isn't it?


Hey, I have gotten mod spanked four times in the last month, well, warnings. What gets me is that blatantly racist and bigoted statements go on.


If you didn't mean that the Mods seem to be allowing racist and bigoted comments from others, while warning you to watch what you say when you "called out" the "bigots and racists", what other conclusion can one reach about your comments?

Firm




jlf1961 -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/13/2010 7:31:42 PM)

No, I didnt say that. What I said was that I had been warned for insulting posts.

Yet posts that insult who groups of people by calling them terrorists etc is allowed.

I would also like to point out that it has been my experience that conservatives have a nasty habit of keeping their mouth shut even when they dont agree with the stand a conservative politician makes.

How many conservative politicians or talking heads have come out condemning the various mosque protests going on around the country?

I will put it this way, it would seem by the lack of statements to the contrary that conservatives seem to be supporting anti-Muslim protests around the country, including a pipe bomb being detonated outside a mosque in Florida.

In fact, it would seem that conservatives, for the most part are keeping their mouths shut, except for the politician that made the statement that "Islam is a political movement or a cult, not a religion." in Tennessee. The GOP did not publicly denounce the statement, thereby giving its passive agreement.




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