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Brain -> The Ministry of Oil Defense - The U.S. Military Spends Trillions for Oil (8/22/2010 9:28:31 PM)

The BP spill in the Gulf of Mexico has reminded Americans that the price at the pump is only a down payment; an honest calculation must include the contamination of our waters, land, and air. Yet the calculation remains incomplete if we don't consider other factors too, especially what might be the largest externalized cost of all: the military one. To what extent is oil linked to the wars we fight and the more than half-trillion dollars we spend on our military every year? We are in an era of massive deficits, so it pays to know what we are paying for and how much it costs.

...The debate often hovers at a sandbox level of did-so/did-not. Donald Rumsfeld, the former defense secretary, insisted the invasion of Iraq had "nothing to do with oil." But even Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman, rejected that line. "It is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows," Greenspan wrote in his memoir. "The Iraq war is largely about oil." If it is even partly true that we invade for oil and maintain a navy and army for oil, how much is that costing? This is one of the tricky things about oil, the hidden costs, and one of the reasons we are addicted to the substance -- we don't acknowledge its full price.

If we wish to know, we can. An innovative approach comes from Roger Stern, an economic geographer at Princeton University who in April published a peer-reviewed study on the cost of keeping aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf from 1976 to 2007. Because carriers patrol the gulf for the explicit mission of securing oil shipments, Stern was on solid ground in attributing that cost to oil. He had found an excellent metric. He combed through the Defense Department's data -- which is not easy to do because the Pentagon does not disaggregate its expenditures by region or mission -- and came up with a total, over three decades, of $7.3 trillion. Yes, trillion.

And that's just a partial accounting of peacetime spending. It's far trickier to figure out the extent to which America's wars are linked to oil and then put a price tag on it. But let's assume that Rumsfeld, in an off-the-record moment of retirement candor, might be persuaded to acknowledge that the invasion of Iraq was somewhat related to oil. A 2008 study by Nobel Prize-winner Joseph Stiglitz and Harvard University budget expert Linda Bilmes put the cost of that war -- everything spent up to that point and likely to be spent in the years ahead -- at a minimum of $3 trillion (and probably much more). Again, trillion.


The Ministry of Oil Defense - The U.S. Military Spends Trillions for Oil

It's not polite to say so, but if Americans understood just how many trillions their military was really spending on protecting oil, they wouldn't stand for it.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/08/05/the_ministry_of_oil_defense?sms_ss=email


Peter Maass, a contributing writer to the New York Times Magazine, is the author of Crude World: The Violent Twilight of Oil, which is being published in paperback this month.


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MrRodgers -> RE: The Ministry of Oil Defense - The U.S. Military Spends Trillions for Oil (8/22/2010 10:00:52 PM)

Since the Spanish/American war of 1898...war has been for a profit. We make a profit on oil, can't make any at all...without it. Oh, I am sorry...they make the profit.




Aneirin -> RE: The Ministry of Oil Defense - The U.S. Military Spends Trillions for Oil (8/23/2010 10:34:26 AM)

The question is, which would be cheaper for a president of the USA,

Going to war to claim or ease the flow of oil and so keep costs to the American citizens down as much as possible,

Or

Tell the American people oil is becoming more expensive to obtain and the citizen must pay more to maintain the lifestyle they have become accustomed to ?

But out of the two, which would be politically more expensive to undertake ?




MrRodgers -> RE: The Ministry of Oil Defense - The U.S. Military Spends Trillions for Oil (8/26/2010 11:27:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aneirin

The question is, which would be cheaper for a president of the USA,

Going to war to claim or ease the flow of oil and so keep costs to the American citizens down as much as possible,

Or

Tell the American people oil is becoming more expensive to obtain and the citizen must pay more to maintain the lifestyle they have become accustomed to ?

But out of the two, which would be politically more expensive to undertake ?

Not really. Tell the American people that wars cost money, there will always be wars and there will be profits...the ultimate reason for them.

The only question left unanswered is...how much money are we...er there I go again...they, they going to make ?




Hippiekinkster -> RE: The Ministry of Oil Defense - The U.S. Military Spends Trillions for Oil (8/26/2010 11:36:43 PM)

Damn, brainy, you're slipping. You only have 6 out of every 20 threads on the first two pages. I expect you to have at least half. Actually, I think you should go for the gold and bump everyone else from the first page of the forum. You will be the MAN!!!


Moving on,

"All the U.S. tanks, planes and ships guzzle 340,000 barrels of oil a day, making the American military the single-largest purchaser and consumer of oil in the world.

If the Defense Department were a country, it would rank about 38th in the world for oil consumption, right behind the Philippines. "
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16281892

Granted, this data is from 2007, but I doubt things have changed much.




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