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tigreetsa -> The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 3:37:00 AM)

One of the most popular concepts shared by many people involved in BDSM and D/s is that they are part of a lifestyle which is shared by many other people. This belief is held by many people, irrespective of whether they are in a relationship or not, irrespective of their role in the relationship, irrespective of their specific interests and kinks, their fetishes, and it's also irrespective of what gender they are, what age, what their background in society is.

It is a popular concept which is based on a belief that we are all different from 'vanilla', from people in wider society, there appears to be a common, shared awareness among these people, not prevalent throughout this belief, but common, that we are more aware of ourselves and our inner needs, simply through bringing our more idiosyncratic desires and needs into the relationship and being more open about them with other people 'in the lifestyle' and with our partners.

This is perfectly understandable. We all share one common aspect, irrespective of who we are - we are all individuals - there are no two people in this world who are exactly the same in every respect. This leads to a fundamental, underlying dichotomy in our thinking, because when getting to know another person, irrespective of who they are, instinctively we get to know them by comparing them to who we are.

We do this through identifying as much as we can which is similar and as much as we can which is different, working through each label in terms of polarity based on similar - different. Therefore we look at others in relation to ourselves based on broad categories 'us' and 'them' - male/female, tall/short, thin/fat, intelligent/stupid, and in terms of 'the lifestyle' dominant/submissive, sadistic/masochist, and so on.

The thing is, while BDSM and D/s is truly cross-cultural and can be found in almost any society if you care to look hard enough, your basic thinking based on the dichotomy and polarity which I've illustrated above is also largely influenced by local and national social and cultural beliefs which are widespread and shared among people of one nation or even one region, but exactly in what way these beliefs relate to someone's thinking of course differs from person to person, because we are all individuals.

However most of modern society is influenced heavily by modern religion, and most modern religions, among them Christianity, Islam and Judaism, the teachings of which (but not the core, fundamental beliefs) are outdated anyway as they are based to some degree on Sun worship, belief in a universal higher external authority namely a God which many Christians somehow identify with being in the image of a man, which explains why most of us are living in a male dominated society and all religious leaders, prophets and major figures are male, and all female figures are stereotypically female.

But these core beliefs permeate right through society in varying degrees, for example, many people believe in what I would describe as heterosexual supremacy, believing that homosexuality is wrong or unnatural, most people also would never consider a primary relationship with a transgendered person, either because they believe it is wrong, unnatural, or more commonly, simply because they feel they cannot relate to a transgendered person the same as they can with other people who aren't transgendered. These core beliefs also permeate through to BDSM and D/s, leading a significant proportion of people involved in 'the lifestyle' to believe that someone is naturally dominant, or a 'true dominant' if you prefer, or naturally submissive (a twue submissive) all the time in all their interactions with others.

However we all know of the existence of the Universe, and are aware that solar system based on the Sun as the centre is just a tiny part of the entire Universe itself. We are also led to believe that there is no centre of the Universe.

But there is. What's more, everyone can see it. Where is it? Go take a look. Look in any direction, and you will find it.

You see, it doesn't matter what direction you look in the sky, or anywhere else, you are looking straight ahead. Following this logically, you are looking at the centre of the Universe, but only from your own individual perspective. Everything around you, everything you see, is just another individual component of the entire Universe. There are only three possible constants - you, the Universe, and the relationship between you and the Universe.

It doesn't matter who you are. It's still the same three constants - you, the Universe, and the relationship between you and the Universe.

Therefore everything you see, everything you perceive, can only be relative to you individually. Truth is only truth you have accepted as truth when looking at something from your own perspective, the same goes with knowledge and belief.

Now think about everything you know and have experienced connected with BDSM and D/s. Is it not exactly the same? Are there not the same three constants - you, BDSM and D/s, and your own individual relationship and perception of BDSM and D/s? This is irrespective of who you are, the people you share your life with, and your interests, it's also irrespective of what your preferred role is - the fact whether you are dominant or submissive isn't a part of your inner nature, it's just a tendency you have which influences the way you prefer to interact with certain other people on an interpersonal level - the same three constants will always apply, you, BDSM and D/s, and the relationship between you and BDSM and D/s.

Also, it's worth stopping to think a moment about the primary source for all your knowledge, awareness, and understanding of BDSM and D/s. Where does it all come from? This is just my own personal opinion, but I happen to believe that the only reliable source for knowledge, increased awareness and understanding comes directly from real life experience, irrespective of whether you yourself are sharing the experience with someone else, or you are seeing the experience with your own eyes as it takes place between other people in the same location where you are.

Bear in mind that every single experience you share, every relationship you form and develop, and everything you see and perceive during these shared experiences is something you relate to in your own terms and the sum total of all these experiences constitutes your own individual knowledge, awareness, beliefs and understanding of everything connected with BDSM and D/s.

Some of those, who are more experienced, in making references to 'the lifestyle' are not referring to a common, shared, external lifestyle which everyone conforms to, but to something completely different (revealed later in this OP).

Yes it's also a known common fact that we now have computers, and yes it's also common knowledge that the Internet can be used as a valuable tool of research, gathering information and communication between people. But this is only meant to be a starting point for doing stuff in real life, it's not intended to replace real life.

Therefore you can also gain knowledge, an understanding and increased awareness from the Internet and other people via the Internet, but it's worth considering that all that knowledge, understanding and awareness you gain from being online should be verified in some way by real life experience before you accept it as knowledge or genuine understanding or awareness. I'm not saying it's any less valid, because many people who are very experienced in BDSM and D/s do come online to share information relating to their own experiences with the intention that it will lead to increased understanding, awareness and knowledge in others who aren't quite as experienced.

Why else do you think this part of the website and the message boards exist? Why else do you think that there's a forum, message board, and opportunities for journals and free writing on almost every BDSM website you can find?

But the fact remains the same, and that fact is what they share isn't guaranteed to fit in with what you are interested in, it's probably not going to always relate to or match your own experience and knowledge, and it can never replace or substitute your own real life experiences or knowledge of BDSM or D/s. You are not them, they are not you. Therefore at best all the information you gain from being online is second-hand knowledge.

Furthermore you cannot teach or train anybody by imposing your opinions, knowledge or beliefs on them, all you are doing is imposing your opinions, knowledge and beliefs on them, which isn't the same as teaching or training. You can only teach or train someone by exposing them to things they feel they need or want to learn, through presenting knowledge and experience in ways they can relate to, through reading, through talking, and through direct experience. Most people come here because they want to learn more about BDSM and D/s and how it relates to them, pretty much in the same way as they turn on the television or watch a movie because they want to learn something about life and relationships (some also come here for the same reason).

But this only serves to increase awareness, maybe understanding, and doesn't necessarily provide knowledge. At the risk of repeating myself the only reliable way, and best way, of transforming all this awareness and understanding into knowledge, is through first hand, or real life experience. 

There's no place anywhere in BDSM and D/s for assumption and unfounded belief - nowhere at all.

Again my opinion and based on my own personal beliefs, which are centred around my own interpretation of Buddhism, and a belief in reincarnation and karma. I feel evidence of both can be found in the formation of the Life Script. We all form our own individual Life Script over the first seven years of our life.

Our first five years, from birth to around our fifth birthday, is spent gathering information about everything and everyone, us ourselves, our parents, other people in our lives, and we examine how everything and everyone relates to in our lives. During this period we start to form various strategies for getting attention, both postive and negative, from other people, starting with our parents who we test, the results of which provide further information.

Around the age of six we start to process this information and organize it into forming an objective in life, what we perceive to be a Mythos, or central character (us), and a life story which we believe is going to get us towards our objective. This process completes itself around the age of seven (but it varies from child to child in terms of their background, progress and development and also early childhood experiences) which influences not only how we live but also how we relate to other people. From the age of seven it slips quickly into our subconscious, we forget about it, but it always remains there in our subconscious as an underlying motivating factor behind how we behave and communicate with other people.

This I feel also has a direct influence on our identity here in BDSM and D/s. It influences how we prefer to interact and communicate with others in our interpersonal relationships, and I also feel that there's often a karmic element which influences what relationships we form, with who, and what experiences we feel we need to share with them.

It also influences us by enhancing the relationship cycles we form, both cycles within a relationship, and also cycles of relationships or patterns that we go through, one after the other, until we settle into a relationship we feel is pretty close to the ideal. Those who are poly may require more than one relationship to feel fulfilled, some may not require a stable relationship to feel fulfilled, but prefer shorter ones, and others may require periods of being alone alternating between periods of being in a relationship. It varies from person to person.

This is, I feel, why those who are experienced beyond a certain level in BDSM and D/s become more guarded in the way they form relationships, and why such relationships are generally based on a greater degree of trust and confidence. In becoming involved with such people, you're potentially becoming involved with a whole lot more than just games of spanky botty and kinky sex, but also other things which could potentially cause a lot of damage, not just physically, but also emotionally and psychologically, not just to them, but also potentially to you.

Indeed, there's a certain amount of risk involved. This is play, undertaken for the same motivations and reasons as children, fulfillment, recreation, increasing of one's awareness, understanding and knowledge. Only we're adults, the activities we enjoy during play are completely different, yes there's sex, but there's also pain, humiliation, degradation, deprivation, etc involved.

This is where the risk comes in, because potentially all it takes is one experience, one relationship, and before you know it something is triggered relating to a past experience and if that experience is negative the damage is done, and it can take weeks, months, even years for that damage to be overcome or a healing process completed.

This is also why I feel on the whole BDSM and D/s is much, much more than just kinky sex, and is actually a subculture which is so diverse, just like the Universe itself, that it is impossible to quantify it or shape it into any conceivable shape or form which can be seen to be shared commonly in its entirety among a great many people.

It's so common a belief that it renders many people who get involved in such discussions incapable of finding the middle ground in a discussion, the basic fact that whatever someone posts on a D/s or BDSM topic is their truth and knowledge which combined with the readers own truth and knowledge can actually combine to a shared truth and knowledge which can further be exploited - only if someone stops, thinks, and I mean really thinks about what is written - to increase one's level of awareness, understanding and potential knowledge relating to BDSM and D/s. Too many people cannot see past this 'lifestyle illusion' and so they never get beyond thinking in terms of accept/reject, agree/disagree, or believe/disbelieve.

This is also why very few people respond by trying to find out more information, by asking someone questions, particularly the question 'why?' - which is a very good prompt for getting people to explain their thinking, logic, reasoning behind what they're posting.

I feel that if more people disabused themselves of this illusory notion of 'the lifestyle' to which everyone must conform and started asking more questions and actually made an effort to increase their level of awareness, understanding and knowledge on BDSM and D/s then threads would start to get better, more informative, the community here would start to become much more inclusive, less people would feel marginalized or stigmatized, and eventually the boards would start to take on positive changes, with everyone deriving more benefit from them.

But this is true also in wider society and everywhere else. If you have any doubts as to how much modern mainstream religion based on Sun worship influences people's thinking then maybe go take a look at the threads in the Politics and Religion section. Please don't take my word for it, go see for yourself.

All this requires is a little more thinking and a little more effort on the part of everyone.

To me at least, there is no common shared 'BDSM Lifestyle', there is no One True Way, therefore there's no need to conform, and there's a place for everyone here, irrespective of who they are and what level of experience they have. Think about it. The only One True Way is Your True Way, shared by nobody else.

Your True Way can only be based on those three same constants which exist - you, BDSM and D/s, and your relationship to BDSM and D/s. These constants apply universally - irrespective of who you are, what sort of relationships you form, whatever interests you have, no matter how old you are, how inexperienced or experienced you are. The same applies to everyone else, irrespective of who they are.

This is why when the more experienced people here refer to the 'lifestyle' they are referring to it as it really is - a lifestyle which cannot be shared, which is individual only to you. This is both the 'lifestyle' as it appears to everyone here, and also the 'lifestyle' as it is perceived by them, and by assumption you, each from an individual perspective. The reality of this is that they are referring to the same lifestyle - that lifestyle which isn't shared but can only be seen from an individual perspective.

They are not referring to any external lifestyle which all of us share. There is no such lifestyle. It is only the illusion of BDSM and D/s.

If you can grasp this concept of there only being an 'individual' lifestyle, where we are all - in our own individual way - seeking to increase our own awareness, understanding and knowledge about BDSM and D/s, which is the primary motivation for people coming together both online and in real life, then maybe you can see just how meaningless all the conflicts, disagreements and arguments really are.




kiwisub12 -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 4:14:55 AM)

I live my lifestyle, and yes, it isn't the same as the next persons -  BUT there are so many common elements in deeds and thinking that we do share a lifestyle. On the surface it may not be similar, but the similarities are more constant than the differences.

How is this not a lifestyle?

And i view all the disagreements and pissing and moaning as conflicts necessary for growth. There are few things in life that we gain without pain, conflict or discomfort - heck, look at the baby being born, or divorce  -   or a submissive struggling to find a compatible partner.
The people that come onto CM and rile up the rest are performing a necessary function - at the most base, they are causing bonding among posters, and at best , they are enabling a questioning of basic thought processes.

Or , if you want to look at it another way - gay men live their lives according to how they are wired and comfortable. They have a lifestyle - not every element is common with all gay relationships, but enough are that a lifestyle can be identified.  Is this not a valid label?   I think so.




hertz -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 4:45:23 AM)

OP is correct, I think.

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There is no such lifestyle. It is only the illusion of BDSM and D/s.


I'd go further, as alluded to in the OP. If the above is true, then the same principle could well apply in every area of our lives. It's an uncomfortable thought. Nothing is true.

Excellent post!




Nehemiah -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 6:38:05 AM)

It can be looked at as two possibilities. Things that are similar. Things that are not similar. If members of the Judeo-Christian culture can be found to be similar, then those outside who are not of that culture can be grouped as NOT J-C culture. If we group vanilla sex oriented people as a group, then those who reject or do not embrace the limited values of vanilla sex orientation would be a group who are NOT like the other. Within the NOT group, there will be subsets. Each subset getting smaller and more exclusive.

It all depends on how one looks at something and catagorizes it within a subgroup.

Of course what I do is diferent than others, but I can find people of similar interests who would fit in my subgroup. Enough to consider my subgroup as a cohesive unit.

The same argument can apply to carrots. It might look like a carrot is just a carrot. But they come in different colors. They can be subdivided into size or shape. Subdivided by taste. Subdivided as to where they are grown. Subdivided into how they are prepared. But in the end, they are all called carrots and rather than going crazy nit-picking all the differences, most people lump them all together under one heading when speaking of the generalities of carrots. Unless there is a reason to subdivide or categorize, a carrot is a carrot.




DesFIP -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 10:11:42 AM)

I disagree that most people here seem to think a common interest in this makes them a community, a common lifestyle.
There are some, usually the very young, who believe that all submissives are sisters, but I think this is less rather than more.

I will discuss what shape the eggplants are in when I'm at the store with someone else also looking for a good eggplant, but that doesn't mean we are different or better than those buying zucchini. Nor does it mean that we have anything else in common except that right this minute, we both wanted to make an eggplant dish for dinner.




hertz -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 10:29:05 AM)

But are we talking about vegetables, and the subset that is carrots?

Maybe the difference between vanilla and the D/s lifestyle is more like the difference between night and day. We know what night looks like, and we know what day looks like, but sitting in the garden and waiting for the precise moment when one becomes the other is a fool's errand.




leadership527 -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 10:38:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hertz
Maybe the difference between vanilla and the D/s lifestyle is more like the difference between night and day. We know what night looks like, and we know what day looks like, but sitting in the garden and waiting for the precise moment when one becomes the other is a fool's errand.
Words of wisdom.

Particularly complicated by the fact that some nights are really bright and some days are really dim.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 10:47:34 AM)

There's a lot to think about here, Stella. Thanks for another thoughtful post.




sexyred1 -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 10:54:45 AM)

I completely agree that this is not a lifestyle that people constantly allude to.

It is just a part of who and what I am. A place like this is a gathering for those with some common interests.

I detest when people come here and blanket the whole group by saying, How can everyone be so mean and judgemental? I never thought this community would not be open minded.

Jeez. As if we are all painted with the same brush. It is especially irksome when someone older speaks that way.

I realize that many people are frustrated in their attempts to find what they need, but I would never expect any group of any type to agree with me just because I like something or do something they did.

Expecting tolerance and open mindedness and agreement is akin to everyone at a book club loving every book, or a film class where there is no debate over the director's choices, etc.

I think people, especially online, feel better able to express their inner frustrations on forums like this and some love to argue.

So yes, it is an illusion to think any mass group will feel the same way and worse, to have any expectations of behavior of others, besides what you can control, which is only you.




Nehemiah -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 11:08:03 AM)

When shopping for eggplants, a Vegan may spot us and try to bond thinking perhaps we are also Vegan. Especially when our shopping carts are full of fresh veggies. Then we throw in some ground pork and our new Vegan friend is disappointed that we are not part of their little community.

Then while at the checkout, the local Foodie sees all of our fresh produce and ground pork and assumes we are also part of the Foodie community so he goes into a discussion of crepinettes and where to find the best caul fat and Herbes de Provence. So you explain that you are just making dinner and aren't interested in the finer points of the Foodie culture. Yes, we are from California but not all of us are slavish devotees of Alice Waters. Now we have just disappointed another person who thinks we belong to their "in" group.

So it's the same in the kink community. Some try to bond and you tell them you aren't a sub or a slave. You tell others that, "No, I am not a Master and I don't want to make you my 24/7 live-in sub. Yes, if we are the least bit kinky, we must run the gauntlet of the kink community who want to bond with us.




crazyml -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 12:12:49 PM)

Crikey - really interesting read. I was a bit daunted by its length, but it was well worth the effort!

I think you make some really good points, but I don't agree with your conclusion that "BDSM and D/s" is an illusion.

While I really do like your "self --> universe" idea, it doesn't work completely for me - I feel as if there's too much in between to consider.

I'm not sure about the "fundamental dichotomy" that you describe..

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ORIGINAL: tigreetsa

This leads to a fundamental, underlying dichotomy in our thinking, because when getting to know another person, irrespective of who they are, instinctively we get to know them by comparing them to who we are.


I'm not sure this is true. I think we're more likely to compare people with an "ideal" rather than ourselves?

I like this bit..
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This is, I feel, why those who are experienced beyond a certain level in BDSM and D/s become more guarded in the way they form relationships, and why such relationships are generally based on a greater degree of trust and confidence. In becoming involved with such people, you're potentially becoming involved with a whole lot more than just games of spanky botty and kinky sex, but also other things which could potentially cause a lot of damage, not just physically, but also emotionally and psychologically, not just to them, but also potentially to you.


But while I agree with this..

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This is also why I feel on the whole BDSM and D/s is much, much more than just kinky sex,


I completely disagree with this..

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and is actually a subculture which is so diverse, just like the Universe itself, that it is impossible to quantify it or shape it into any conceivable shape or form which can be seen to be shared commonly in its entirety among a great many people.


Yes, it is a very very diverse subculture.... but don't agree that there aren't enough "traits" that enable a broad grouping.

So when you say...
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They are not referring to any external lifestyle which all of us share. There is no such lifestyle. It is only the illusion of BDSM and D/s.




I think I have to disagree, I think it is possible to describe BDSM D/s, and that they're not illusions. But - You are 100% right that the idea of there being "one true BDSM D/s" is pretty illusory.





Wheldrake -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 1:19:45 PM)

To pull just a couple of points out of a long and thought-provoking post:

quote:

ORIGINAL: tigreetsa

Also, it's worth stopping to think a moment about the primary source for all your knowledge, awareness, and understanding of BDSM and D/s. Where does it all come from? This is just my own personal opinion, but I happen to believe that the only reliable source for knowledge, increased awareness and understanding comes directly from real life experience, irrespective of whether you yourself are sharing the experience with someone else, or you are seeing the experience with your own eyes as it takes place between other people in the same location where you are.


I'm always a little puzzled by the idea that direct experience is the only reliable source of knowledge, whether the knowledge is supposed to pertain to BDSM or something else. I know about lots of things I've never experienced (rigor mortis, for example), whereas I've had lots of experiences that I failed to properly appreciate or learn from simply because I wasn't in the right frame of mind. Books, conversations, and yes, the internet are all valid sources of indirect knowledge, when used judiciously - of course it's necessary to do one's best to distinguish between credible sources and less credible ones, and check sources against each other to reveal possible discrepancies. But experience can be a misleading teacher too. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: tigreetsa

To me at least, there is no common shared 'BDSM Lifestyle', there is no One True Way, therefore there's no need to conform, and there's a place for everyone here, irrespective of who they are and what level of experience they have. Think about it. The only One True Way is Your True Way, shared by nobody else.


On the other hand, I strongly agree with this. I think of the 'Lifestyle' as encompassing a large and diffuse set of practices, and in my opinion it's impossible to draw a sharp line between things that are just barely part of the Lifestyle and things that are just barely not part of it. So open-mindedness and non-conformity are definitely good principles to keep in mind as we all pursue our respective journeys.




daddysliloneds -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 1:20:58 PM)

i came to read a post, not a book; some things are better left for a blog/journal[:'(]




leadership527 -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/23/2010 1:39:25 PM)

You know Stella, when I first ran into all you wierdo's and deviants, I spent a lot of time worrying over the question of whether I belonged in this community or not. In the end, I came to the conclusion that my relationship was unique to me. It bears enough similarities to enough other people here that useful conversations happen -- useful in both directions. That was my end measure for "community" and whether I belonged in it... there was common value to being here. I don't need anyone else to be "like me". I just need for them to have the occasional thought which is useful to me or, alternately, for my thoughts to occasionally strike home for them.

Which, I suppose, is a different take on exactly what you said.




MrBukani -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/25/2010 3:15:51 AM)

You are trying to say something pretty simple with many many examples wich makes it andless to read thru.
Yes you can say individual lifestyle but people like to group also. Being part of a group is not a bad thing perse.
To say hooligans are all the same is stupid too.
Its only an illusion because you probably dont believe in absolute truths like so many others. If all was relative and individual you are saying there are no laws of nature or language.
Sadism is what it is period. There is many shades and forms but it is sadism, not an illusion.




texangael -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/25/2010 5:56:25 AM)

I do not have a "D/s" lifestyle.

I do not have a "vanilla" lifestyle.

I have a life.

In my life, I have a business.  I have friends.  I have a woman.

My woman is my slave because that is the dynamic we both want--she wants me to be in command, to take the lead, to be a king and rule over her, and I enjoy doing just that.

Such is my life.






phoenixmoonn13 -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/25/2010 7:03:47 AM)

sorry post is too long in message boards i tend to only read short ones but from the replies i agree in a way it isnt a lifestyle because it is who i am to be a submissive so i live as i am. i think it is aobut making things clear and easy to understand if you say you are a lifestyler people take it to mean you are fairly serious and into it to a much greater extent then someone who may play occasionally. i may be wrong but just my view.




ResidentSadist -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/25/2010 6:18:05 PM)

For those that did not want to read the entire OP, the quote below sums it up quickly. 

Her observations are astute but I disagree that it is an illusion.  I have a social code of interaction and a "style" of life that is common among many of us, old fogies and otherwise.  I even have a code of conduct specifically for social leather lifestyle interactions.  That code of conduct is built on the reality that there are things the majority of us have in common.

I agree that much of what we do is personalized and uniquely individual.  But not unlike professors who live an academic lifestyle or public servants like cops, military and firemen . . . what it is that they do affects their lifestyle as much as what it is that we do affects ours.  We have things in common that put us into a definable group with a unique set of commonalities. 

I usually find myself seeing eye to eye with stella but I could not go so far as to say our definable group is an illusion.  But it sure makes for a great discussion. 
Luv ya stella. 

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This is why when the more experienced people here refer to the 'lifestyle' they are referring to it as it really is - a lifestyle which cannot be shared, which is individual only to you. This is both the 'lifestyle' as it appears to everyone here, and also the 'lifestyle' as it is perceived by them, and by assumption you, each from an individual perspective. The reality of this is that they are referring to the same lifestyle - that lifestyle which isn't shared but can only be seen from an individual perspective.

They are not referring to any external lifestyle which all of us share. There is no such lifestyle. It is only the illusion of BDSM and D/s.





IronBear -> RE: The illusion of BDSM and D/s (8/26/2010 9:14:34 AM)

At the end we as individuals oft accompanied with like minded friends will travel pour ownj paths and thus create our own personal lifestyles. Life style being the styme we choose to live our lives including the dynamins we have with others. Thus, to each his or her own which none can legitimately nay say (provided there is no breaching laws of where we live). 




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