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Electable... - 8/23/2010 11:55:29 PM   
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Hidy ho neighbors, it's your friendly, local neighborhood Bull once again seeking council.

Several times in the past year or so I've been approached about running for a state level office (now don't panic, most of you that don't “value” my way of thinking don't live in Iowa so relax and enjoy the thread) . My future political considerations, as you might now be able to guess are why I, at times, ask rather curious questions.

Now for the Collarme specific part of this:

I do have a few niller type friends that know I use my whip for more than just moving cattle and that my male/female ideology might be seen as, shall we say, a bit prehistoric. They have also made comment how I may not be all that “electable” due to my less than mainstream views and friends.

It seems that you people I am most comfortable around, the Goreans, the Leathermen, the Kinksters and other brands of D/s types aren't all that socially acceptable to some. But I have this misconstrued notion that because I don't limit my social understanding or my extended friend base that I am actually more suitable to represent “the folks” in general. Now I'm not going to rattle on with platforms or personal qualifications I possess but needless to say to a fairly large base I seem “electable” so long as I appear “normal”.

Now I have pondered that perhaps I should place more consideration into running sometime in the future, but if I can't be me and the chance were to exist I'd have to deny some of the better parts of myself and the friends that understand that part of me I'd rather not partake. So I bring to you folks a question. Please keep the partisan railing to a dull roar if you can but I would like to know from as many different perspectives as I can.

What the hell do you see as.......................”electable”?

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 12:03:39 AM   
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You say your views on women and men are prehistoric. That is an uncool position for me in a political person. Someone who is more underground, has a deeper understanding of not being a part of the demanding masses but is more of an individual I would welcome however.

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 12:22:02 AM   
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I couldn't care less what someone does with their leisure time, I want to know what they'll do for the state or country, are they a good manager etc.
Hell, I'd put a picture of a whip on my campaign signs!

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 4:04:32 AM   
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Who is electable to me?  To me, it would be someone who seems sincere (although I know "seeming sincere" can be just as sincere as not sincere at all, but still...).  Someone who has a track record of persistence.  Someone who knows something of the political arena so he could maneuver his way thru his agenda.  Someone who is capable of "reaching across the aisle" as politicians put it (meaning being able to be bipartisan) And someone who pretty much sticks to and doesn't abandon what he claims to be.

Personal aspects of a person is really not what I look for.  It's what the people of his community (or district, or state, or whatever) mean to him and what he would fight for, for them, that would impress me.  Although, for the sake of people that are more conventional, I'd focus more on the normal side, and not your attributes with a whip. 


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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 5:06:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: xBullx

Hidy ho neighbors, it's your friendly, local neighborhood Bull once again seeking council.

Several times in the past year or so I've been approached about running for a state level office (now don't panic, most of you that don't “value” my way of thinking don't live in Iowa so relax and enjoy the thread) . My future political considerations, as you might now be able to guess are why I, at times, ask rather curious questions.

Now for the Collarme specific part of this:

I do have a few niller type friends that know I use my whip for more than just moving cattle and that my male/female ideology might be seen as, shall we say, a bit prehistoric. They have also made comment how I may not be all that “electable” due to my less than mainstream views and friends.

It seems that you people I am most comfortable around, the Goreans, the Leathermen, the Kinksters and other brands of D/s types aren't all that socially acceptable to some. But I have this misconstrued notion that because I don't limit my social understanding or my extended friend base that I am actually more suitable to represent “the folks” in general. Now I'm not going to rattle on with platforms or personal qualifications I possess but needless to say to a fairly large base I seem “electable” so long as I appear “normal”.

Now I have pondered that perhaps I should place more consideration into running sometime in the future, but if I can't be me and the chance were to exist I'd have to deny some of the better parts of myself and the friends that understand that part of me I'd rather not partake. So I bring to you folks a question. Please keep the partisan railing to a dull roar if you can but I would like to know from as many different perspectives as I can.

What the hell do you see as.......................”electable”?


I see you as reasoned and thoughtful. That may well put you out of electable status. Grin.

Beyond that, hell, I'd vote for you.


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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 5:08:43 AM   
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One problem I see coming is the person , man or woman , that you would be running against. He or she will certainly bring your lifestyle to the forefront to embarrass or discredit you. Politics is a dirty business even at the local and state level. I'd be prepared to be outed..

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 5:40:08 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

One problem I see coming is the person , man or woman , that you would be running against. He or she will certainly bring your lifestyle to the forefront to embarrass or discredit you. Politics is a dirty business even at the local and state level. I'd be prepared to be outed..

+1.
You live in a pretty sex negative society, Bull. I doubt you'd be able (or to your credit, even want) to keep this far enough under wraps for the opposition not to get wind of it and start using it as an issue. Possibly there's elements of the American right that see heterosexual bdsm as more tolerable than anything that gors on between consenting adults of the same sex, but I wouldn't count on it.

heartcream makes a good point about the Gorean thing probably not appealing to liberal voters as well. The story about John Norman's career being derailed by a sinister feminist conspiracy within the SF community is bollocks, but I could see a taste for the Gorean fantasy lifestyle not playing well with a lot of female voters, particularly if they've read any of Norman's later fiction, rather than just wiki'd Gor. I suppose it's analogous to the way the more reactionary elements of the right would shit blood at the thought of a guy with a taste for femdom standing for office.

Good luck, in any case.

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 6:05:24 AM   
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Determination....

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 6:29:26 AM   
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The question really is this,

Are you prepared to accept what will come if any of these thoughts and activity surface?  You could wind up with a full attack on your character, morals, values, and worth as a person.  Everyone will now know not just those you choose.  That won't end with the campaign.

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 7:14:34 AM   
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Run, Bull, run!!! The more people of your insight and intelligence our country has in elected office, the better!

As far as the lifestyle choices, pull your picture down from this site and any others, and have a well-crafted statement about the exercise of individual liberties and the pursuit of happiness tucked away if you absolutely need it. If somebody brings up these things as a weapon against you/your campaign, respond first by attacking their dirty tricks. Hell, we have a local challenger for a state office who is trying to turn her recently revealed massive personal debt and bankruptcy filing into a qualification to address California's budget mess.



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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 7:28:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

The question really is this,

Are you prepared to accept what will come if any of these thoughts and activity surface?  You could wind up with a full attack on your character, morals, values, and worth as a person.  Everyone will now know not just those you choose.  That won't end with the campaign.



And the saddest part of your quite accurate statement, is that people in places like this, who supposedly hold freedom of speech and liberty to high standards, will be among the attackers.


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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 7:28:06 AM   
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As a Gorean Man, your beliefs certainly dont mesh with mine, also your libertaarian values also dont mesh but from what I have seen and read about you , you ARE an honorable man and no Im not brown nosing.
I dont see much honor in politics...


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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 8:01:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: flcouple2009

The question really is this,

Are you prepared to accept what will come if any of these thoughts and activity surface?  You could wind up with a full attack on your character, morals, values, and worth as a person.  Everyone will now know not just those you choose.  That won't end with the campaign.



And can those you share your life with..... family, friends, etc.....withstand that type of being 'outed'? Aka, the ripple effect. This is something GD and I have discussed on several occasions.

I also echo what Lucy wrote.


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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 8:35:05 AM   
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I think because we are so used to this lifestyle we begin to think it is more socially acceptable than it really is.

Chances are that whoever you are running against will find out.

You may have a few vanilla friends who are aware of your lifestyle but are you prepared to have everyone you know, business associates, neighbors, and relatives made aware of it?

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 8:44:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: heartcream

You say your views on women and men are prehistoric. That is an uncool position for me in a political person. Someone who is more underground, has a deeper understanding of not being a part of the demanding masses but is more of an individual I would welcome however.



Thanks for the reply heartcream. It's these simple misconceptions (my prehistoric comment) due to wording that leave me at the biggest disadvantage going forward. I have considered that anyone running against me would most likely choose to expose what is known of how I live; and it's my explaining or request for privacy of these facts that is most critical. It's not that I think everyone should live or think as I do, as I surely do not, but my house is, shall we say 50...........ish with a lemon twist.

So electability in this case has to do with clarity of message.

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 8:53:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

I couldn't care less what someone does with their leisure time, I want to know what they'll do for the state or country, are they a good manager etc.
Hell, I'd put a picture of a whip on my campaign signs!


Thanks Popeye; and I have noticed that most that live an alternative lifestyle are accepting of others personal choices, though try expressing the Gorean philosophy around even those that claim to be open and you will discover prejudice even where you would expect none.

Concurrently I work very hard not to force my personal choices on to those that have not asked about them. So the whip logo, though interesting, might compromise my personal codes.

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 8:56:45 AM   
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If your opponent runs an ad associating you any way with this lifestyle, your campaign will be over. Your message won't mean a thing. I can see the hit peice now, dungeon and all.

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 9:07:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Louve00

Who is electable to me?  To me, it would be someone who seems sincere (although I know "seeming sincere" can be just as sincere as not sincere at all, but still...).  Someone who has a track record of persistence.  Someone who knows something of the political arena so he could maneuver his way thru his agenda.  Someone who is capable of "reaching across the aisle" as politicians put it (meaning being able to be bipartisan) And someone who pretty much sticks to and doesn't abandon what he claims to be.

Personal aspects of a person is really not what I look for.  It's what the people of his community (or district, or state, or whatever) mean to him and what he would fight for, for them, that would impress me.  Although, for the sake of people that are more conventional, I'd focus more on the normal side, and not your attributes with a whip. 




Thanks Louve, for this post, I hope, if I were to run that I'd find a good number of vanillas that will feel the same.

Working with others to accomplish common good and the political end are areas in which I actually excel for the most part; well, beyond the part that I expect everyone to have noble intent in their motives which more and more often seems contrary to the case. But I am worldly and accomplished in both life and business.

And the biggest reason I am even considering a run are the faces of my grandchildren.

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 9:12:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

I see you as reasoned and thoughtful. That may well put you out of electable status. Grin.

Beyond that, hell, I'd vote for you.



Thanks, but my district doesn't quite extend far enough south and east for your vote to put me over the top.

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RE: Electable... - 8/24/2010 9:15:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

One problem I see coming is the person , man or woman , that you would be running against. He or she will certainly bring your lifestyle to the forefront to embarrass or discredit you. Politics is a dirty business even at the local and state level. I'd be prepared to be outed..


I'm always up for a good fight and certainly when I can get people to honestly consider the truth of things do I feel I have an advantage, but as you mention politics is dirty and the truth is seldom considered.

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