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Kirata -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/24/2010 10:25:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 rml, perhaps it is mass hallucinations? Jeeez, this is the best news we've heard since the thing started... and all some people can do is crap on it and crank out provocative partisan snipes. Un-fucking-believable. K.

jlf1961 -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/24/2010 10:34:33 PM)
Trying to make it sound like most of the oil is gone is unbelievable.

tazzygirl -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/24/2010 10:38:49 PM)
While it may sound unbelievable... is it possible?

slvemike4u -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/24/2010 10:51:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u The science and the study aside....you guys were alright with Sanity's "nearly ecologically neutral" claim? Seriously? Seriously? Okay, seriously then... Show me where I said anything what-so-fucking-ever like that, and I'll clarify it for you. K. Show me where you called him on it,and there will be no need to clarify it for me. Really simple.....you should be able to handle it.

slvemike4u -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/24/2010 10:54:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 rml, perhaps it is mass hallucinations? Jeeez, this is the best news we've heard since the thing started... and all some people can do is crap on it and crank out provocative partisan snipes. Un-fucking-believable. K. As opposed to sticking our heads up our ass and claiming ecological neutrality ? Now which statement did you find "Un-fucking believable" again?

Fellow -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/24/2010 10:59:50 PM)
Washingtonsblog has been involved collecting the news about the situation with BP: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/ "According to University of Maryland aquatic toxicologist Carys Mitchelmore, Hazen’s team only measured the breakdown of select compounds in the oil. “There’s lots of other chemicals in the oil,” she said.She also stressed that it’s essential to identify what happens when oil is degraded. That catch-all term implies that it just vanishes, but “sometimes things can be degraded into more toxic components,” said Mitchelmore. The latest study did not make those measurements, nor did it test how microbes interacted with chemical oil dispersants used during the disaster." Very important! As Lawrence Berkeley Labs notes, the research was funded by BP:

Kirata -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/24/2010 11:17:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Show me where you called him on it,and there will be no need to clarify it for me. Of course I didn't "call him on it". And for future reference, be advised that if someone comes in here claiming cows lay eggs, I won't be calling them on that either. K.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 5:50:32 AM)
Weren't y'all claiming there wasnt a plume last week? "ghost plume" I think was the term. Now, it WAS there but it's being eaten. What is on tap for next week?

samboct -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 6:10:08 AM)
Kirata Seems to me that there's a data collection and interpretation problem here. Overton, a geochemist at Louisiana State Univ, the guy who says that the remaining oil is "degrading quickly right now". also noted that the official maps from NOAA no longer show any surface oil in the gulf. However, Rulemylife has pointed out that boats are coming back with oil coating their hulls. My thought process is that NOAA's imaging technology isn't as good as claimed to be, since there is clearly surface oil remaining. And if they can't tell that there's oil on the surface, I kinda doubt that they're better at telling that there's oil that's below the surface- it's a harder problem. In short- if you can't solve the easy problem, making claims about a harder problem to solve gets increasingly dubious. Tazzygirl- is it possible these guys are right- that microbes have eaten it all? Possible yes, but given how politicized the science has become- highly unlikely. Sam

Sanity -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 6:19:41 AM)
Some anonymous guy on the Internet claimed that, contrary to what the NOAA is telling us, and you believe it? Seems your criteria for proof of something is entirely dependent on your own personal bias Samboct. quote: ORIGINAL: samboct Kirata Seems to me that there's a data collection and interpretation problem here. Overton, a geochemist at Louisiana State Univ, the guy who says that the remaining oil is "degrading quickly right now". also noted that the official maps from NOAA no longer show any surface oil in the gulf. However, Rulemylife has pointed out that boats are coming back with oil coating their hulls. My thought process is that NOAA's imaging technology isn't as good as claimed to be, since there is clearly surface oil remaining. And if they can't tell that there's oil on the surface, I kinda doubt that they're better at telling that there's oil that's below the surface- it's a harder problem. In short- if you can't solve the easy problem, making claims about a harder problem to solve gets increasingly dubious. Tazzygirl- is it possible these guys are right- that microbes have eaten it all? Possible yes, but given how politicized the science has become- highly unlikely. Sam

mnottertail -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 6:27:23 AM)
Hazen and Camilli are pretty fuckin anonymous to me too. How is it that conservatives are telling us we need 10 years to study healthcare for a solution to those problems, but they will post that bugs eat ALL the oil in a matter of a few weeks? While I would readily accept that the until recently undiscovered freshwater bugs have chewed up some of the oil, (what do they shit out BTW, or what sorta nasty shit are they when they die? Cuz there are bugs that thrive on 2-4-d and whatnot, but you can bet I ain't eatin the motherfuckers, nor am I gonna eat whatever eats them)....... I find it strains incredulity to believe that we are all done here.......yay for anything that is helping, but........not by a damn sight will I accept any mirable dictu as this, offhandedly and with no long term outlook.

Sanity -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 6:32:31 AM)
The context of my "nearly ecologically neutral" statement was that the news article I cited points out how there are naturally occurring oil seeps in the Gulf of Mexico which emit the equivalent of one Exxon Valdez spill into the Gulf every year, and there are voracious microbes that have evolved over time which neutralize that naturally occurring oil. Given that, and given the way the BP spill has been whittled down by said microbes to practically nothing in comparison to the initial hysterical claims, I stand by what I wrote about how our exploring for and recovering oil from under the Gulf is nearly ecologically neutral - especially when considered in the broader context of geological time. quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u The science and the study aside....you guys were alright with Sanity's "nearly ecologically neutral" claim? Seriously? Seriously? Okay, seriously then... Show me where I said anything what-so-fucking-ever like that, and I'll clarify it for you. K.

Sanity -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 6:34:49 AM)
You might want to go back and read through that thread a little more carefully there, Bill. quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Weren't y'all claiming there wasnt a plume last week? "ghost plume" I think was the term. Now, it WAS there but it's being eaten. What is on tap for next week?

mnottertail -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 6:37:03 AM)
So, you are breaking with your comrades and suggesting that Obamas administration did not enhance the disaster in any way shape or form, and that Rush and all those other cattcallers are full of shit, whoever they are, and that there was no reason for the rabid right to stand with their fingers in there ass on the sidelines sniping away at this nearly neutral event? Damn son, I don't see that gettin you no girlies over on that side. [:D]

samboct -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 6:56:54 AM)
Sanity Well, about 30 seconds of digging turned this up... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAZ26KdcI0&feature=related Seems to me that the guy, Rulemylife, that you so readily dismissed, might have been right after all. Also in terms of interpretation- Samantha Joye at the Univ. of Georgia keeps pointing out that the oil "breaking down" doesn't mean that its not toxic, just that it's no longer the same compound that came out of the well. There can a be a long way to go before the seawater is back to where it was in terms of metals and other petroleum based organic compounds. So that the LLBL guys say the oil has broken down- doesn't mean that there has been recovery. I'm a bit curious as well about these wonder microbes. What was their concentration before the spill? What's the concentration of these little oil eating machines now? And what exactly do they do to the oil? Break the polymer bonds? Take it down to 4 carbon compounds? All the way down to CO2? Shouldn't the CO2 levels in the gulf be climbing then? None of this stuff being published in newspapers passes for peer reviewed science- it's all guessing and has very little data to back it up. Sam

Sanity -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 6:59:30 AM)
Really? YouTube video? Thats real scientific Samboct... Again, your standards are very flexible. [:D] quote: ORIGINAL: samboct Sanity Well, about 30 seconds of digging turned this up... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaAZ26KdcI0&feature=related Seems to me that the guy, Rulemylife, that you so readily dismissed, might have been right after all. Also in terms of interpretation- Samantha Joye at the Univ. of Georgia keeps pointing out that the oil "breaking down" doesn't mean that its not toxic, just that it's no longer the same compound that came out of the well. There can a be a long way to go before the seawater is back to where it was in terms of metals and other petroleum based organic compounds. So that the LLBL guys say the oil has broken down- doesn't mean that there has been recovery. I'm a bit curious as well about these wonder microbes. What was their concentration before the spill? What's the concentration of these little oil eating machines now? And what exactly do they do to the oil? Break the polymer bonds? Take it down to 4 carbon compounds? All the way down to CO2? Shouldn't the CO2 levels in the gulf be climbing then? None of this stuff being published in newspapers passes for peer reviewed science- it's all guessing and has very little data to back it up. Sam

mnottertail -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 7:00:35 AM)
well, one of the things that surprised them about this is these microbes were not in low oxygen water, which is what should be happening, so that mechanism is unclear at the mo........... yeah, so way too early to take a wait and see attitude on this one.

Sanity -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 7:03:07 AM)
I especially liked the post on the YouTube page that commented on the guy being barefoot on that beach, and wondering where his respirator was...

DarkSteven -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 7:05:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail well, one of the things that surprised them about this is these microbes were not in low oxygen water, which is what should be happening, so that mechanism is unclear at the mo........... That's scary if that surprised them. Ii should have been expected. Microbes are very simple and adaptable. A massive, historically large food source was dropped in their laps and all they had to do was evolve into something able to handle the higher oxygen rates.

yummee -> RE: Microbes ate BP oil deep-water plume: study (8/25/2010 7:35:59 AM)
I'm in South Louisiana (between Lake Ponchatrain and Lake Maurpas). The white shrimp season opened the other day here. Only one in over a thousand samples taken from the white shrimp from the Gulf of Mexico has revealed any toxins from oil or dispersants. Of course, the leak was/is horrible. Cleanup is ongoing and should continue, of course. We are struggling now to get BP to do a 5-year marketing campaign reassuring the rest of the country that the seafood is tested ... rigorously. BP, so far, does not feel it is their responsibility to do so. I realize everyone has an opinion, and certainly has a right to share it. The biggest struggle here at the moment is hit after hit after hit to the Louisiana economy. We still have not recovered from Katrina, 5 years ago. We are battling to hold onto one of our major industries (oil) in a SAFE manner. It looks like we will now lose the majority of another of our major industries (seafood). We have enough trouble competing with Chinese seafood, which Americans seem to not have a problem buying and trusting the safety of. We all know how safe Chinese products have proven to be. The seafood coming out of the Gulf of Mexico is tested. We are eating it, not tasting oil or chemicals, not getting sick. If you want to help during this crisis, spend your tourist dollars along the Gulf Coast. I was in Gulf Shores the other weekend. I saw no oil, tar, dead animals, etc. If you want to help during this crisis, buy Gulf seafood and enjoy it. It's good and safe.

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