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thornhappy -> socialist health care (8/24/2010 6:29:28 PM)
An interesting story from England (hotbed of socialism), about a biker that "died" 28 times but was saved.

tazzygirl -> RE: socialist health care (8/24/2010 6:36:47 PM)
Lucky man. Damn social medicine... not any good at all!

Lucylastic -> RE: socialist health care (8/24/2010 6:46:08 PM)
The utter Utter bastards, how dare they save someone that many times, dont they know how much money it costs? /sarcasm off. alllllrighty then goooo NHS

Aneirin -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 1:16:08 AM)
That is one thing about the NHS, despite the complaints, it always tries to do the best it can, and in this case, it did the very best. Now if we had to like other countries buy medical cover for our life, would the medics be as conscientious. Despite all the flack our socialised health care system the NHS gets, I personally think it is the best and with that, similar systems in other countries, socialised medicine is the way to go, not insurance companies who seek profit and there medical institutions who ask first if they are to be paid for saving life before actually doing it.

DCWoody -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 1:58:49 AM)
There's a lot of other options too An, many nations have non-profit benevolent insurance companies for example. I don't think this is the best example of the NHSs strengths.....yes it's a great story, but it's ultimately emergency care, which everywhere does.

Aneirin -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 2:05:41 AM)
I wouldn't be so comfortable where ability to pay has to be established first.

thishereboi -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 4:44:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin I wouldn't be so comfortable where ability to pay has to be established first. I wouldn't either. Thankfully I live in a country where someone who is brought into the er having a heart attack would be treated before anyone ever brought up the ability to pay.

thishereboi -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 4:58:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin That is one thing about the NHS, despite the complaints, it always tries to do the best it can, and in this case, it did the very best. Now if we had to like other countries buy medical cover for our life, would the medics be as conscientious. Despite all the flack our socialised health care system the NHS gets, I personally think it is the best and with that, similar systems in other countries, socialised medicine is the way to go, not insurance companies who seek profit and there medical institutions who ask first if they are to be paid for saving life before actually doing it. You make everything seem so easy in this post, so how does that mesh with what you said here... "Anyone who has ever tried to get what they are entitled to in this country will know just what kind of a nightmare it is, forms upon forms upon forms, ambiguous forms and with that time, it takes a long time to get what one needs to live very basically, which the law states is £93.45 per week, a sum which does not take into account the rises in food, transport and utility costs that have risen since the banking crisis."

flcouple2009 -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 6:51:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin I wouldn't be so comfortable where ability to pay has to be established first. I wouldn't either. Thankfully I live in a country where someone who is brought into the er having a heart attack would be treated before anyone ever brought up the ability to pay. What that correctly should read is that you live in a country where health care providers have been known to try and stabilize and move out as quickly as they can people who can not have coverage verified. It is amazing that still happens even though the hospitals get sued and lose huge settlements every time something goes wrong with the patient after they do this.

myotherself -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 10:25:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin That is one thing about the NHS, despite the complaints, it always tries to do the best it can, and in this case, it did the very best. Now if we had to like other countries buy medical cover for our life, would the medics be as conscientious. Despite all the flack our socialised health care system the NHS gets, I personally think it is the best and with that, similar systems in other countries, socialised medicine is the way to go, not insurance companies who seek profit and there medical institutions who ask first if they are to be paid for saving life before actually doing it. You make everything seem so easy in this post, so how does that mesh with what you said here... "Anyone who has ever tried to get what they are entitled to in this country will know just what kind of a nightmare it is, forms upon forms upon forms, ambiguous forms and with that time, it takes a long time to get what one needs to live very basically, which the law states is £93.45 per week, a sum which does not take into account the rises in food, transport and utility costs that have risen since the banking crisis." That's true if you're talking about social security payments, unemployment benefits and 1001 other monetary benefits that people may or may not be entitled to. Health care is free. Full stop. You can register with a GP and see them every day for a year, but it will cost nothing. You may have to pay for prescription costs, but it's a fixed price, no matter how expensive the drug. It's about $10 per item at the moment. Those on low incomes can apply for free drugs. Those of us who don't, can pay £10 (about $14) a month to get any number of prescribed medicines free of charge. I do this, as I need a few different medications. We also have NHS dentists who charge a fixed fee for treatments, set out by the government. I recently had three fillings replaced, a complete scale and polish, and even a couple of x-rays. It cost less than £50 (around $70 to $80). Form-filling doesn't enter into it when you're ill - it's just ours to have. I love our NHS! [:D]

Hillwilliam -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 11:17:41 AM)
Im going to need rotator cuff surgery on the left side soon. Had the right done 8 years or so ago. I just found out that they apparently intend to make me pay in advance the difference between what Insurance will pay and their charges. If not, you can just keep hurtin' sucker. Im NOT saying that Obamacare is the solution (It isnt) but we will need to do something and soon.

NorthernGent -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 1:26:54 PM)
The NHS is fantastic in the respect that everyone is afforded health care devoid of the event of putting you in financial difficulty....like everything in life there are two sides to the coin......the system is creaking under the weight of drug/cigarette/alcohol dependency.... And that's what it boils down to.....you will have to pay tax to fund it......you will have to pay for people who have never worked in their lives......and others who are alcoholics etc...... The question is: is it worth it? Is it worth paying for a minority who will put not a lot in and take a great deal out for the benefit of a more sizeable minority who live a more thrifty life but can't afford to go private...... It's a principle....right to health care versus individualism.......oh and there's the practical aspect....it is assumed that health care is a key factor in empowerment....in England I think it's fair to say that health care has coincided with increased social mobility.....although the impact of the former on the latter is open to debate......

DomYngBlk -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 2:16:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Im going to need rotator cuff surgery on the left side soon. Had the right done 8 years or so ago. I just found out that they apparently intend to make me pay in advance the difference between what Insurance will pay and their charges. If not, you can just keep hurtin' sucker. Im NOT saying that Obamacare is the solution (It isnt) but we will need to do something and soon. I hope you can come up with the money but before that can you answer me this....Why do people insist that we don't have managed care here in the US when the facts like you just stated stare people in the face everyday?

Politesub53 -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 3:31:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin That is one thing about the NHS, despite the complaints, it always tries to do the best it can, and in this case, it did the very best. Now if we had to like other countries buy medical cover for our life, would the medics be as conscientious. Despite all the flack our socialised health care system the NHS gets, I personally think it is the best and with that, similar systems in other countries, socialised medicine is the way to go, not insurance companies who seek profit and there medical institutions who ask first if they are to be paid for saving life before actually doing it. You make everything seem so easy in this post, so how does that mesh with what you said here... "Anyone who has ever tried to get what they are entitled to in this country will know just what kind of a nightmare it is, forms upon forms upon forms, ambiguous forms and with that time, it takes a long time to get what one needs to live very basically, which the law states is £93.45 per week, a sum which does not take into account the rises in food, transport and utility costs that have risen since the banking crisis." Why change topic ? The post you quoted wasnt about the NHS, yet your only stab at proving it wrong was to quote something about an entirely different subject.

Hillwilliam -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 3:40:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam Im going to need rotator cuff surgery on the left side soon. Had the right done 8 years or so ago. I just found out that they apparently intend to make me pay in advance the difference between what Insurance will pay and their charges. If not, you can just keep hurtin' sucker. Im NOT saying that Obamacare is the solution (It isnt) but we will need to do something and soon. I hope you can come up with the money but before that can you answer me this....Why do people insist that we don't have managed care here in the US when the facts like you just stated stare people in the face everyday? I wasnt saying we dont have managed care. Heck, all the Righties are yelling keep the govt out of healthcare but when you figure the VA system and medicare, they already are in for around 50%. Righties dont like to hear that.

rulemylife -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 3:55:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin I wouldn't be so comfortable where ability to pay has to be established first. I wouldn't either. Thankfully I live in a country where someone who is brought into the er having a heart attack would be treated before anyone ever brought up the ability to pay. That's funny, because when I was transported by ambulance to the ER for a painful, but non-life threatening, injury my first stop before the ER was an office to determine my payment method while I sat there in pain.

thishereboi -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 3:58:58 PM)
I asked for clarification because the two posts seemed to contradict themselves. Myotherself explained it.Thanks for that by the way.

Aneirin -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 4:15:51 PM)
With all that we have and the way it is, good or bad, I do believe what the British have is far better than what the US have. We may moan, I may moan, about things the way they are, but I would rather have it, socialist or whatever it is than healthcare based upon how much money I have,l my ability to pay.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 5:37:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin That is one thing about the NHS, despite the complaints, it always tries to do the best it can, In the US, insurance companies do the best they can to avoid paying. Many Americans are offended by the idea of universal health care. They don't like the idea of paying for health care for smokers, alcoholics, drug users, and the obese. What they don't realize is that without universal health care, everyone is at risk including them. Insurance companies pay employees to investigate client's medical records to find reasons not to pay. They also refuse to pay for many life saving treatments by calling them experimental. Everyone who lives in a country without universal health care is in danger of losing their house and their entire savings if they are unlucky enough to develop a life threatening illness. Health insurance companies are crooked. They can't be trusted. They don't care that people who have paid premiums for years die because they refuse to pay. I'd rather help pay for health care for everyone, including those who live unhealthy lifestyles, than risk losing everything I own and risk dying just because of an insurance company refusing to pay. Sir and I want to move to Canada as soon as he finishes college and apply for citizenship after living there for 3 years. I hope one of us doesn't develop a serious health condition before then.

thornhappy -> RE: socialist health care (8/25/2010 6:25:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DCWoody There's a lot of other options too An, many nations have non-profit benevolent insurance companies for example. I don't think this is the best example of the NHSs strengths.....yes it's a great story, but it's ultimately emergency care, which everywhere does. This guy didn't have to worry about bankruptcy if he was uninsured. This reminded me about a blog I read from a young woman with cystic fibrosis who was a resident of Vancouver, BC. She had a lung transplant, and through the whole process you never read about her parents indebtedness, needing to refinance the mortgage, or the young woman's worry about incurring huge debts. Her only financial complaint was that she couldn't work much at all before the transplant, and the same happened after she rejected the transplant (so she ended up on welfare). (BTW, she was even listed for a second transplant, but died before a donor was found.) She had state-of-the-art care. When something like this happens in the US, it's a tremendous financial strain on the parents (even with insurance). I've come across blogs of parents taking care of children with chronic diseases and amongst the worry for the child is a constant undercurrent of financial problems. They can exceed the yearly benefits or even their lifetime benefits. Durable medical goods and medications may not be covered. It's a tremendous struggle, and I don't know how they handle it and remain sane.

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