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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 5:43:01 PM

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What was the cost per job "saved or created"

http://www.google.com/search?q=cost+per+stimulus+job&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 5:48:30 PM

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http://mediamatters.org/research/200901270012
not sure what either has to do with the original post, as usual....

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 5:55:21 PM

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Of course you dont understand what the cost per job "created or saved" has to do with anything.

Youre a Liberal.

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 6:38:38 PM

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No Jef,, The stimulus put millions back to work.

I still have not seen you post anything to factually dispute the numbers.

http://www.miseryindex.us/urbyyear.asp

http://www.miseryindex.us/indexbypresident.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_index_%28economics%29

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/20/how-the-recession-affects_n_241557.html

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/01/underemployment-state-by-state/

Now I won't argue jobs created or lost. I'm of the belief that as long as we throw money at the problem, Wall Street will keep sucking it up and as a consequence less jobs will be lost. But the numbers do support a higher misery index under Obama, and more underemployment under Obama.

From early in 2008

http://tntalk.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/underemployment-ravages-us-economy/

note the 8.9 percent number given as testimony before Congress. Note the headline.

Look at underemployment figures now.

Gallup

http://www.gallup.com/poll/142169/Underemployment-Mid-August.aspx

The data shows a decline from April through August, dropping from 20.4 percent to 18.3 percent. Add to that, a percentage point or two for those who have given up looking. It's probably more, but I'm not going to waste time looking for it. Then add to that the reported numbers for unemployed. The result is a rather painful picture. Not a rosy one.

Edited to add: Note I included huff for you left folk.

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 7:05:18 PM

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I think the CBO is working on numbers more recent... lots has happened since those oh so screamingly out of date figures, even wikipedia doesnt go p ast april, if you are going to try and call the CBO lying, use something better
I dont need links to old data to prove todays numbers... if they are lying, Im sure it will come up soon enough,but until that happens I sure as hell am not buying a page of old data or sanities pathetic google searches for old data either.

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 7:13:19 PM

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I think the CBO is working on numbers more recent... lots has happened since those oh so screamingly out of date figures, even wikipedia doesnt go p ast april, if you are going to try and call the CBO lying, use something better
I dont need links to old data to prove todays numbers... if they are lying, Im sure it will come up soon enough,but until that happens I sure as hell am not buying a page of old data or sanities pathetic google searches for old data either.

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The gallup poll is from august 2010. I believe that is, now. At least in my world it is. As far as the 2008 article, it was there for reference. I figured even total simpletons could see that.

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 7:19:07 PM

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again with an insult... simpleton huh?? why thank you, how sweet of you,
Dont believe everything you think.
Under employment is also different than employment or even unemployment, and 15000 respondents is a fair crack at the whole population?
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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 7:27:15 PM

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again with an insult... simpleton huh?? why thank you, how sweet of you,
Dont believe everything you think.
Under employment is also different than employment or even unemployment, and 15000 respondents is a fair crack at the whole population?
yawwwn ..

if there's a yawwn involved, it is when people choose to believe numbers based upon what they want them to say. I never disagreed with your job creation numbers. In fact, they're probably correct. Then again, we spent almost a trillion dollars for 1-4 million jobs.

Do the math.

The reality of the bs you're trying to assimilate as the whole truth so help you God, ignores the people who are hurting in this economy. People like the 92,000 last month who lost their homes. People like those we just increased unemployment benefits to almost 2 years for. People who lost a 70,000 a year job and are now working at 30,000. People who are raiding their savings and retirement funds to pay bills.

But, you go girl.

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 8:07:20 PM

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what I can't believe is any one would believe a report with such varrying numbers

gdp between 1.7 and 4.5

question...almost a 3% spread...what?

employment btwn 1.4 mil and 3.3

question ...an almost 2 mill spread.....what?

and full time "equivelent" up to 4.8 mill

question, is this in addition to the 1.4 to 3.3 million....a total of 5.2 to 8.1 mill jobs?

and the final question...what the hell is an "equivelent" full time job?

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 9:28:08 PM

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Im saying when Obama took office the real unemployment rate was 14%. Dispute that.

It was in MI and has dropped about 1%. Not sure if you are talking about the whole country or a specific state.

http://www.milmi.org/

The whole country, and the link was provided.

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 9:29:00 PM

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The reality of the bs you're trying to assimilate as the whole truth so help you God, ignores the people who are hurting in this economy. People like the 92,000 last month who lost their homes. People like those we just increased unemployment benefits to almost 2 years for. People who lost a 70,000 a year job and are now working at 30,000. People who are raiding their savings and retirement funds to pay bills.

But, you go girl.

You have no idea how much Im "hurting" in this economy, Im not whining, Im not sharing,Im not anything, But I know just how bad it is out there.
You denigrate the information, I draw hope. for more than myself.

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 9:48:45 PM

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Will try this again. When Obama took office, the real unemployment rate was 14%. Currently, its 16.5%.

These are the U6 Figures drawn from US Bureau of Labor Statistics. The last figure... August 2010.

What is U6?

The Bureau of Labor Statistics measures employment and unemployment (of those over 16 years of age) using two different labor force surveys conducted by the United States Census Bureau (within the United States Department of Commerce) and/or the Bureau of Labor Statistics (within the United States Department of Labor) that gather employment statistics monthly. The Current Population Survey (CPS), or "Household Survey", conducts a survey based on a sample of 60,000 households. This Survey measures the unemployment rate based on the ILO definition. The data are also used to calculate 5 alternate measures of unemployment as a percentage of the labor force based on different definitions noted as U1 through U6:

•U1 : Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
•U2 : Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
•U3 : Official unemployment rate per ILO definition.
•U4 : U3 + "discouraged workers", or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
•U5 : U4 + other "marginally attached workers", or "loosely attached workers", or those who "would like" and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
•U6 : U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons.

It pretty much measures everyone above the age of 15.

What is the ILO?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Labour_Organization

Its a pretty long discussion of what it is and how it works.

The jump in unemployed from taking office to now is 2.5% in real numbers. The same chart also allows you to look at the official rate... the U3. That jump from taking office till now is 2.3%, 7.7 to 9.5. 7.5 million people.

Odd how no one complains about the hike from 4.2% to 7.7%. 3.5% jump... or 10.5 million people under the previous administration.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 10:18:32 PM

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Stop lying and misrepresenting everything.

Hannity repeats false calculation of job creation cost

During the January 26 edition of Fox News' Hannity, referring to the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, host Sean Hannity asserted, "If, on the high side, we reached their job-creation number of 4 million, that's going to cost $217,000 to get that job," echoing a false calculation from a press release issued by the Republicans on the House Appropriations Committee and repeated by numerous media figures. In fact, by calculating the per-job cost by dividing the estimated total cost of the stimulus package by the estimated number of jobs created -- and thus suggesting that the sole purpose of that package is to create jobs -- these media figures ignore other tangible benefits stemming from the package, such as infrastructure improvements and education, health, and public safety investments.

As White House senior adviser David Axelrod noted in a January 18 appearance on ABC's This Week: "We're not just spending money to create jobs; we're investing money to strengthen this economy. We're investing in areas like energy independence. We're investing in creating the classrooms of the 21st century for our kids to give us the kind of education system we need. We're investing in computerizing the health-care records of this country so that we can reduce costs and improve care. These things will pay long-term dividends to this country."

Moreover, economists, including Center for Economic and Policy Research co-director Dean Baker and Nobel laureate Paul Krugman, have presented another criticism of the claim. In a January 24 post on The American Prospect's Beat the Press blog, Baker wrote: "The Republicans have become fond of saying that President Obama's stimulus package will cost $275,000 for every job created. The media have been typically derelict in simply reporting this number without making any assessment to evaluate it -- as though readers in their spare time are supposed to determine whether it is accurate or not." Baker continued:

http://mediamatters.org/research/200901270012

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 10:21:10 PM

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you can fool some of the people all of the time. Its just coincidence they are all liberals.

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RE: Stimulus added millions of jobs in Q2 - 8/25/2010 10:27:23 PM

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Dang it willbe! you got mail!

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