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LadyHibiscus -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 11:47:06 AM)

I was watching some show on one of the food channels, and this ubersnotty party guy was all EVIL about folks bringing stuff! **The point of bringing stuff is NOT to add to the meal** It is a thank you for the folks to enjoy AFTERWARD. I wish I could remember that guy's name, he had some excellent points, such as about flowers being an instant-work thing, but the way he said it! Made me glad that I will never be invited over, the opportunities for fail were so tremendous.




LadyPact -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 12:14:18 PM)

Exactly why I gave the two pieces of advice that I did.  LOL.




angelikaJ -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 3:12:35 PM)

FR

Tfb,

You tend to be a bit free with your information. If you are invited into a conversation, then I would do my very best to try to not let other thoughts that might seem related enter into the discussion and just stick to the topic. Also do not discuss aspects of your life that would be considered to be "personal". For many people that creates discomfort. I realise you are likely to know some or all of this already. Please do not be offended by my reminding you. I think at one time or other nearly all of us has forgotten... at least I know I have, and my intention is to prevent you from making my mistakes. [:)]




JstAnotherSub -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 3:33:56 PM)

And don't forget that the highest compliment you can give is, when finished dining, scoot away from the table, unbutton the button on your pants and let a loud belch rattle the rafters.  After that, you should grin and say damn that was some fine eats!

Or maybe that's only at my family dinners...




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 3:35:01 PM)

I don't know her very well at all, she's a member of the local TNG Group and hosts events now and then. I've met her about 4 times. Which is why I privately emailed her, and I am still waiting on an answer.
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ORIGINAL: LadyTeazer


How well do you know the Hostess? Does she "collect" anything? Cat figurines? Angels? Tea cup and saucer sets? Get her something specific to what she collects.

Candles are a relatively safe gift. Unscented ones in fancy candleholders are safer still. Do NOT go to Wally World and get a strawberry scented jar candle. This is a formal dinner, so the hostess gift has to be ramped up accordingly. A set of 3 brass or glass stemmed votive holders in varying heights is a good idea. And include the candles. Do you know her favorite color, or scent? Get those candles.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 3:43:42 PM)

Yes, Daddy and I are aware I chatter happily and way to much sometimes, and I have made that mistake at play parties, where I wasn't aware people were like dear god someone shut her up and then put my daddy on the spot by telling him, please get her to shut up an get her away from us.........


So, yeah. that was embarrassing. and hurtful.

We'll either chat quietly to one another or leave the talking to a bare minimum. And the event will be extra special because it'll be our 4th year as a couple.
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

FR

Tfb,

You tend to be a bit free with your information. If you are invited into a conversation, then I would do my very best to try to not let other thoughts that might seem related enter into the discussion and just stick to the topic. Also do not discuss aspects of your life that would be considered to be "personal". For many people that creates discomfort. I realise you are likely to know some or all of this already. Please do not be offended by my reminding you. I think at one time or other nearly all of us has forgotten... at least I know I have, and my intention is to prevent you from making my mistakes. [:)]




angelikaJ -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 3:57:53 PM)

Tfb,

This is a social event, so it is okay to be social, but the trick is to observe how other people behave and then just as you follow which fork they use, you model your behavior after theirs.

The people sitting near you may ask questions and it is ok to answer them. If they ask about your job however, you might not want to go into details about your background. You could say that you stay home and take care of things at home.

Just be polite and respectful of other people's feelings. You know that not everyone is as open as you are and from being around these boards you have a sense of what many people consider to be TMI... so stay away from those subjects.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 4:01:49 PM)

Yes. Most people in bdsm social events don't ask such pointed questions about employment, but if they did I'd simply say I am a stay at home girlfriend.
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

Tfb,

This is a social event, so it is okay to be social, but the trick is to observe how other people behave and then just as you follow which fork they use, you model your behavior after theirs.

The people sitting near you may ask questions and it is ok to answer them. If they ask about your job however, you might not want to go into details about your background. You could say that you stay home and take care of things at home.

Just be polite and respectful of other people's feelings. You know that not everyone is as open as you are and from being around these boards you have a sense of what many people consider to be TMI... so stay away from those subjects.




barelynangel -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 5:04:01 PM)

Hi tfb,

First of all remember, you are there and i presume the hostess and guests are there to have FUN and enjoy each other's company over a fine meal.  How formal is this?  I mean is she having wait staff serve people?

While many dinners do in fact have what i call the extended cutlery, they usually are not ultra complicated when you are at a home formal dinner.  Unless she is going black tie or ultra semi-formal, she will probably only have 2 forks (one for salad and one for dinner), a soup spoon -- and won't have that unless she has soup, a knife and possibly a dessert utensil.   I wouldn't fret about it too much.  Usually you wait to start until the Hostess starts, you can always watch her. 

Hostess gifts i loved getting and giving them!   You know a coffee table book of something she enjoys or an unusual subject are usually a great gift.  Or even an interesting book.  Your candle idea is a really good one with a nice candle holder with it.  I would go unscented but a pretty color or design, unless you know what she likes in scents. example, i am allergic to lavendar, it gives me headaches. Napkin holders are nice since she likes to entertain i would go for the more elegant and simple rather than anything extravagant.    Instead of flowers (i would nix same because many people think to bring these and they can overwelm the hostess and the house lol), you can also get her an unusual plant or herbs in a ceramic pot.  And you can never go wrong with some good chocolate.   Also, i don't know about many people but i LOVE wine/cocktail charms and unusual ones can be great conversation starters - i put them on the bar or drink area and people take them for their drinks. you can get all out silly to the unique to elegants.  If she is into all the BDSM stuff it would be cool to find some of those in BDSM themes lol.    You can also get her wine stuff since she entertains, unique coasters or interesting wine stoppers.  I also had a friend once bring me the most beautiful picture frame.  I like to give something unusual, something that can be a conversation piece. 

All in all, just go to have fun, remember as my ex use to say to chatty angel here, we are socializing not monopolizing -- pfft ME? (snifs indignantly).   Read the news that day so if you do lag for conversation, you can always bring up an interesting tidbit or piece of news. 

Enjoy yourself, that's what the hostess wants most of all.

angel




ResidentSadist -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 5:46:11 PM)

I am not by any means being judgmental, domineering or presume to know what is best for you.  I am merely suggesting that one might want to get the stinky dead rat out from behind your bookcase before worrying about table etiquette.

Get off the internet.
Get off your butt.
Move the bookcase.
Extricate the rat.
Wash you hands.
Then and only then, look up table etiquette.

just saying

[:)]




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 6:07:58 PM)

Something just occurred to me. If it is a BDSM Lifestyle member throwing the formal party, the entire context of "formal" may be entirely different.

When she says formal, she may be referring to a high protocol dinner. You should probably get some clarification on this, because if you are going to a high protocol formal dinner, the expectations of you as a sub/bottom and your partner as a top/dominant may be ENTIRELY different than if you are attending merely as a guest.





barelynangel -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 6:35:23 PM)

Umm ResidentSadist, you've lost me.   

angel




ResidentSadist -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 6:39:04 PM)

angel,
she has a dead rat behind a bookcase.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_3378560/mpage_1/tm.htm




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 6:39:34 PM)

oops, nevermind [:)]




barelynangel -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 6:42:42 PM)

Ohh wow!  Okay thanks, i didn't see that thread.  You just gave me the eebie jeebies and i was like umm if there was ever a dead or alive rodents in my house i would be moving not removing lol.

Thanks for clarifying.

angel




ResidentSadist -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 6:44:28 PM)

angel,
Apparently not all rats are stinky . . .  some may even be dressed for a formal affair.

[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Jm3K8qrj5k/SBT8IasXdII/AAAAAAAAAYk/3UZ3C-9n5M8/s400/rat+in+a+suit+01.jpg[/img]




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 6:59:55 PM)

I don't know a whole lot about the plan, other than it's a 5 course dinner, there'll be a social hour with cocktails and a somilier, * yes botched the spelling
* It's going to be kind of casual, yet elegant, so no jeans, flip flops shorts, ect ect, but it's not black tie either. I'm thinking the men would probably do best to come in dress slacks a button down shirt, dress shoes and a tie, and the women, in a nice skirt or dress  or pants suit, stockings and dress shoes.

Good idea about it not being scented, I actually was going to go the scented route, but won't now unless she says she likes scented, and what kind of scents she likes.

And as far as wine charms go, that's an excellent idea, and with shrinky dink materials you can make your own customized ones, and they turn out so cute, I have heard!

Thank you angel, you're suggestions were so helpful, and it gave me an idea.



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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Hi tfb,

First of all remember, you are there and i presume the hostess and guests are there to have FUN and enjoy each other's company over a fine meal.  How formal is this?  I mean is she having wait staff serve people?

While many dinners do in fact have what i call the extended cutlery, they usually are not ultra complicated when you are at a home formal dinner.  Unless she is going black tie or ultra semi-formal, she will probably only have 2 forks (one for salad and one for dinner), a soup spoon -- and won't have that unless she has soup, a knife and possibly a dessert utensil.   I wouldn't fret about it too much.  Usually you wait to start until the Hostess starts, you can always watch her. 

Hostess gifts i loved getting and giving them!   You know a coffee table book of something she enjoys or an unusual subject are usually a great gift.  Or even an interesting book.  Your candle idea is a really good one with a nice candle holder with it.  I would go unscented but a pretty color or design, unless you know what she likes in scents. example, i am allergic to lavendar, it gives me headaches. Napkin holders are nice since she likes to entertain i would go for the more elegant and simple rather than anything extravagant.    Instead of flowers (i would nix same because many people think to bring these and they can overwelm the hostess and the house lol), you can also get her an unusual plant or herbs in a ceramic pot.  And you can never go wrong with some good chocolate.   Also, i don't know about many people but i LOVE wine/cocktail charms and unusual ones can be great conversation starters - i put them on the bar or drink area and people take them for their drinks. you can get all out silly to the unique to elegants.  If she is into all the BDSM stuff it would be cool to find some of those in BDSM themes lol.    You can also get her wine stuff since she entertains, unique coasters or interesting wine stoppers.  I also had a friend once bring me the most beautiful picture frame.  I like to give something unusual, something that can be a conversation piece. 

All in all, just go to have fun, remember as my ex use to say to chatty angel here, we are socializing not monopolizing -- pfft ME? (snifs indignantly).   Read the news that day so if you do lag for conversation, you can always bring up an interesting tidbit or piece of news. 

Enjoy yourself, that's what the hostess wants most of all.

angel




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 7:02:19 PM)

Resident Sadist, I actually laughed at your post. We do currently have a dead rat somewhere, but we think it's in a wall, the last time we had one, it was behind a bookshelf.

If it's in the wall I'm not sure what can be done, except ride the smell out until it's completely decayed.
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

I am not by any means being judgmental, domineering or presume to know what is best for you.  I am merely suggesting that one might want to get the stinky dead rat out from behind your bookcase before worrying about table etiquette.

Get off the internet.
Get off your butt.
Move the bookcase.
Extricate the rat.
Wash you hands.
Then and only then, look up table etiquette.

just saying

[:)]




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 7:04:57 PM)

Now that rat would be welcome at my house anyday, provided he's not here to tear up myself, as most rats do.

Again I am having a hearty laugh at this post.
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

angel,
Apparently not all rats are stinky . . .  some may even be dressed for a formal affair.

[image]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5Jm3K8qrj5k/SBT8IasXdII/AAAAAAAAAYk/3UZ3C-9n5M8/s400/rat+in+a+suit+01.jpg[/image]





ResidentSadist -> RE: I am woefully un aware of formal dining etiquette and manners. (8/25/2010 7:11:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Now that rat would be welcome at my house anyday,...

Your sense of humor speaks well of you.  Good luck at the dinner.  Here is a link to a dining etiquette guide.  Very informative, hope it is of some use.  Best wishes.

http://www.wartburg.edu/careers/sye/DiningEtiquette.pdf




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