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The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move With... - 8/25/2010 8:57:54 PM   
Brain


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The Government's New Right to Track Your Every Move With GPS

Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway - and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.

That is the bizarre - and scary - rule that now applies in California and eight other Western states. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which covers this vast jurisdiction, recently decided the government can monitor you in this way virtually anytime it wants - with no need for a search warrant. (See a TIME photoessay on Cannabis Culture.)

It is a dangerous decision - one that, as the dissenting judges warned, could turn America into the sort of totalitarian state imagined by George Orwell. It is particularly offensive because the judges added insult to injury with some shocking class bias: the little personal privacy that still exists, the court suggested, should belong mainly to the rich.

Chief Judge Alex Kozinski, who dissented from this month's decision refusing to reconsider the case, pointed out whose homes are not open to strangers: rich people's. The court's ruling, he said, means that people who protect their homes with electric gates, fences and security booths have a large protected zone of privacy around their homes. People who cannot afford such barriers have to put up with the government sneaking around at night.

Judge Kozinski is a leading conservative, appointed by President Ronald Reagan, but in his dissent he came across as a raging liberal. "There's been much talk about diversity on the bench, but there's one kind of diversity that doesn't exist," he wrote. "No truly poor people are appointed as federal judges, or as state judges for that matter." The judges in the majority, he charged, were guilty of "cultural elitism."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201315000


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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 8:42:09 AM   
rulemylife


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It is an extremely bizarre ruling.

It seems you no longer have a right to privacy on your own property, only within your home itself.

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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 10:28:15 AM   
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What the fuck?!

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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 10:54:40 AM   
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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 11:05:17 AM   
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The 9th, being the most liberal circuit, gets overturned by the more moderate SCOTUS all the time. Something like 80% of the time, if Im not mistaken.

This should be too, one would hope.

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SCOTUS will rip the 9th a new one over this.


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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 11:14:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

The 9th, being the most liberal circuit, gets overturned by the more moderate SCOTUS all the time. Something like 80% of the time, if Im not mistaken.

This should be too, one would hope.

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

SCOTUS will rip the 9th a new one over this.


Why ? This is hardly a 'liberal' ruling. It is yet another step toward fascism. But as I have always told people...look to the courts and we now see a trend. The first refuse of the new tyranny...IS in the courts.

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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 11:53:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

The 9th, being the most liberal circuit, gets overturned by the more moderate SCOTUS all the time. Something like 80% of the time, if Im not mistaken.

This should be too, one would hope.

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

SCOTUS will rip the 9th a new one over this.


Why ? This is hardly a 'liberal' ruling. It is yet another step toward fascism. But as I have always told people...look to the courts and we now see a trend. The first refuse of the new tyranny...IS in the courts.


And here I thought the first "refuse" of the new tyranny was in the dumpsters outside the DNC headquartes.

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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 12:19:10 PM   
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If I were a wiseguy and I thought they were going to do this I'd just lay in wait for them.
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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 1:31:03 PM   
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No Trespass
Notice of Foreign Law, on
Private Land; Read before entering:
You are hereby noticed that entering This land subjects You to This contract:
This land is private, and is not subject to public use or control. The Owner has the character suae potestate esse. Over This land flies the American Banner of Peace, and the Law thereon is the Holy Scriptures, and the Christian lex non scripta. The Owner has enacted other various ordinances, to which all who enter This land are subject. Among these ordinances is a
Five thousand dollar Land use fee, charged per man or woman, per day, or any part of a day, for any man or woman (hereinafter, "Lessee") entering upon This land without prior written license in his possession at all times while upon This land. Acceptance of all ordinances shall be evidenced by the presence of any man or woman upon This land, not in possession of said license, and shall create a constructive lease agreement, binding Lessee to the terms of all ordinances which the Owner has laid upon This land. Said fee shall be deemed due and payable in full within thirty days from first notice, and payment shall be made in silver coin, at full face value. Lessee hereby agrees that if payment of said fee becomes delinquent, that said amount shall become a lien upon all of Lessee's non-exempt property.


Its going to get a lot worse because they are trying to get the message out:



"Either rule or be ruled"



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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 3:02:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

if you shoot them and your life is not in danger you are going down.

quote:

No Trespass
Notice of Foreign Law, on
Private Land; Read before entering:
You are hereby noticed that entering This land subjects You to This contract:
This land is private, and is not subject to public use or control. The Owner has the character suae potestate esse. Over This land flies the American Banner of Peace, and the Law thereon is the Holy Scriptures, and the Christian lex non scripta. The Owner has enacted other various ordinances, to which all who enter This land are subject. Among these ordinances is a
Five thousand dollar Land use fee, charged per man or woman, per day, or any part of a day, for any man or woman (hereinafter, "Lessee") entering upon This land without prior written license in his possession at all times while upon This land. Acceptance of all ordinances shall be evidenced by the presence of any man or woman upon This land, not in possession of said license, and shall create a constructive lease agreement, binding Lessee to the terms of all ordinances which the Owner has laid upon This land. Said fee shall be deemed due and payable in full within thirty days from first notice, and payment shall be made in silver coin, at full face value. Lessee hereby agrees that if payment of said fee becomes delinquent, that said amount shall become a lien upon all of Lessee's non-exempt property.


Its going to get a lot worse because they are trying to get the message out:



"Either rule or be ruled"




The general standard is that you have a reasonable belief that your life is in danger. Good luck to a prosecutor trying to prove you didnt have that belief when an intruder is in your house.

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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 3:33:46 PM   
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It seems more and more that the modern "Liberal" ideology is heavily invested in an all powerful government, especially in the judiciary among activist "Liberal" judges. Its not individual rights that matter to these so-called Liberals, its the collective welfare. To them the individual is nothing. Do you deny that the 9th is extremely "Liberal"?

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Why ? This is hardly a 'liberal' ruling. It is yet another step toward fascism. But as I have always told people...look to the courts and we now see a trend. The first refuse of the new tyranny...IS in the courts.



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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 4:08:36 PM   
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It seems more and more that the modern "Liberal" ideology is heavily invested in an all powerful government, especially in the judiciary among activist "Liberal" judges. Its not individual rights that matter to these so-called Liberals, its the collective welfare. To them the individual is nothing. Do you deny that the 9th is extremely "Liberal"?

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
Why ? This is hardly a 'liberal' ruling. It is yet another step toward fascism. But as I have always told people...look to the courts and we now see a trend. The first refuse of the new tyranny...IS in the courts.




Better exclude their rulings on illegal immigration from that characterization! but the 9th is as "activist" as they get.

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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 4:18:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

The 9th, being the most liberal circuit, gets overturned by the more moderate SCOTUS all the time. Something like 80% of the time, if Im not mistaken.

This should be too, one would hope.

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

SCOTUS will rip the 9th a new one over this.


Why ? This is hardly a 'liberal' ruling. It is yet another step toward fascism. But as I have always told people...look to the courts and we now see a trend. The first refuse of the new tyranny...IS in the courts.


And here I thought the first "refuse" of the new tyranny was in the dumpsters outside the DNC headquartes.

Of course you did...for yet another ridiculous partisan jibe.

That is especially since the right in this country much more associates itself with fixing problems via less freedoms, abduction and torture. The real surprise here beyond the decision itself, is the pedigree of the senior dissenter.

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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 4:20:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

The 9th, being the most liberal circuit, gets overturned by the more moderate SCOTUS all the time. Something like 80% of the time, if Im not mistaken.

This should be too, one would hope.

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

SCOTUS will rip the 9th a new one over this.


Why ? This is hardly a 'liberal' ruling. It is yet another step toward fascism. But as I have always told people...look to the courts and we now see a trend. The first refuse of the new tyranny...IS in the courts.


And here I thought the first "refuse" of the new tyranny was in the dumpsters outside the DNC headquartes.

Of course you did...for yet another ridiculous partisan jibe.

That is especially since the right in this country much more associates itself with fixing problems via less freedoms, abduction and torture. The real surprise here beyond the decision itself, is the pedigree of the senior dissenter.



Actually it was more of a jibe against your butchering English.

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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 7:44:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unwarranted search and seizure is hardly a "liberal" concept. It is Fascist to the core. AKA, FAR right wing.

PREVENTING search and seizure even when there is probable cause of a crime is a liberal concept. You know, turn the poor criminals loose cause they didnt get a fair shake.

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RE: The Governments New Right to Track Your Every Move ... - 8/26/2010 8:18:40 PM   
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Unwarranted search and seizure is hardly a "liberal" concept. It is Fascist to the core. AKA, FAR right wing.




Of course that has nothing to do with the Patriot Act but its a nice thought. And Fascism is neither right nor left wing. It is where they join in the political circle.

You can argue till youre blue in the face whether Hitler was "left wing" or "right wing". How he got there is irrelevant and in reality was a combination of both. Mussolini got his start toward fascism clearly in the left hemisphere of the circle, a socialist to the core until he was thrown out of the socialist movement because of his stance toward interventionism. Once he abandoned Marxism in favor of intervention the next logical step was moving the rest of the way around the circle to fascism via the shortest path.

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