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HisEvelyn -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/26/2010 5:51:39 PM)
If I understand correctly, you are not describing a new way of looking at a BDSM Master/slave TPE relationship. You are describing a typical one, as far as I can see. Consensual between both parties, the slave giving everything that she is to her Master because it pleases them both to do so. And the slave remaining a vibrant personality in the process. I'm wondering if the OP had an idea that most 'slaves' are mindless, lose themselves and become robots? It does seem to be a fairly common misconception. Heck, I had that misconception myself before I did some real research.

anua147 -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/26/2010 6:04:20 PM)
i found some one closer to me, i here to find such persons and know there opinions, views to bdsm , because here i found most of slaves have no limit( interesting ). i expect a discussion of these two groups !

BonesFromAsh -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/26/2010 6:20:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: anua147 i found some one closer to me, i here to find such persons and know there opinions, views to bdsm , because here i found most of slaves have no limit( interesting ). i expect a discussion of these two groups ! It might be helpful if first you took the time to explain, as best you can given the language issues, what YOUR opinion of BDSM and slavery is. What exactly are you looking for in regards to opinions? Is this....BDSM...something new for you and you're looking for some direction? In order to have a discussion, you first need a clear topic. quote: its not for profile , i try to define SLAVE in different way , i take some ideas from past (real history). i want to know how people respond to this. ----------------------------------------------------------- i think its a place for discussion so why u think of questions? You seem to be comparing slavery in a historical sense with slavery in a BDSM or D/s sense.

anua147 -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/26/2010 8:15:09 PM)
why u make judgments so fast, i have bad experience in cm because,here i feel bdsm, slavery, slave, these are the part of job or for living. i try to find a slave. but i fount the girls here are looking for a shelter and money from master. They try to do all things, that like her master because as there commitment. Few of them are different like u.But the real fact is different. Girls are just looking for someone who relocate, give money, give shelter. i think a save need all these things but never become a slave for these things. its a life style. In past slaves are forced to become slave. Now girls are forced to become slave( i don't know what is the reason , i feel so).but i think its not bdsm .so i use historic fact to define bdsm in new way.One thing more its a discussion, here we share our opinions and we get more idea about the topic from different persons different place........ its a place for that ........ some one my _ve and some may +ve, so i am very thankful for u r valuable time

poise -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/26/2010 8:31:23 PM)
You do seem to share the same sentiment that many of us submissive women do...we give of ourselves for the sheer joy in doing so, and not for what we may benefit from it (ie relocation...financial assistance..) Because of the language issues, it has taken this many posts to get a little closer to what your perspective really is. Im sorry you arent finding many that share the same passion of this lifestyle with you, but again, it could be the language issue. There is a search feature on the other side of this side where you can narrow your preferences by ethnicity. Perhaps you will have better luck if you choose Indian? Just a suggestion, and not meant to offend.

horizonz -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/26/2010 8:41:10 PM)
I think I understand the point you are trying to convey now OP. Are you comparing slaves of the past to slaves of the present -- saying that both now and in the past that slaves didn't really have a choice?

Malkinius -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/26/2010 10:18:46 PM)
Greetings all.... From reading the post and the OP's profile I think he is trying to recreate a specific form of slavery out of the Vedas. I don't know them well enough to say but it sounds like it and the terms fit. Toss in a bit of ancient Greece and you have the sources for the posts and also the problems with conveying his intended message as English is not, I believe, his first language. I think Hindi is. Now...he would not be the first one I know of who has tried to bring such practices into the US BDSM conventions. As cross cultural influences spread, he won't be the last. Be well all.... Malkinius

MindOnFire -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/27/2010 12:26:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: anua147 dear friend , i mean what u say but some differences. sealing means not for money, giving u r rights to u r master for u r pleasure. and u using u r various skill for u r masters pleasure. BDSM and slavery are not for money or onside entertainment.I mean u can be a salve as u like , master preserve u r likes u r limits , like that ..............., my language is not so good , so i failed to express my feelings. I believe that naming your post after a common and now illegal prostitution practice failed you most, not your English. "Sealing" has nothing do with money, it suggests a lack of further development. I myself would never, ever be with a man who expresses even the slightest desire to "seal" me.

aldompdx -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/27/2010 12:49:43 AM)
You may want to study up on your Sanskrit. Deva = god; dasi = female servant. The essence of a davadasi is not in what the deva receives, but in what the dasi experiences in her own sacred devotion. A mere slave-owner, pimp, or jon is no deva, and thus is not worthy of relating to a true devadasi. Surrender is by free choice from self will, Sat-Chit-Ananda. How does your perspective, attitude, and action inspire another person to sufficiently respect you, enough to make the choice to share their surrender with you?

BonesFromAsh -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/27/2010 5:57:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aldompdx You may want to study up on your Sanskrit. Deva = god; dasi = female servant. The essence of a davadasi is not in what the deva receives, but in what the dasi experiences in her own sacred devotion. A mere slave-owner, pimp, or jon is no deva, and thus is not worthy of relating to a true devadasi. Surrender is by free choice from self will, Sat-Chit-Ananda. How does your perspective, attitude, and action inspire another person to sufficiently respect you, enough to make the choice to share their surrender with you? Agreed. I feel the OP is trying to romanticize parts of historical slavery to use as a description of modern BDSM slavery. It has been my understanding that historical slavery was not romantic but an accepted form of human trafficking within a given society. There are many who chose to incorporated aspects, anyone remember the thread on Code d' Odalisque ? The problem is that you're simply play-acting. If the OP finds someone who is looking for this type of dynamic, wonderful. However, to feel the need to redefine slavery in a BDSM or D/s sense with this type of historical parameters, which were not consensual, is heading down a slippery slope of justifying the sort of use described in the links I provided earlier, in my opinion. As for the complaint the OP has in regards to people advertising slavery for money....this is the internet and that type of activity is rampant. If you don't want to experience it, get off the computer and get into real life. Attend a munch and see how consensual slavery works along with just getting to know others.

DesFIP -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/27/2010 6:00:53 AM)
I don't think anyone here wants to willingly subject themself to a life of endless misery. Your word that.

anua147 -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/27/2010 12:31:59 PM)
every one thinking of there on point of view. its not a place for arguing. bdsm is real but technology have there on role in it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deva = god; dasi = female servant.i admit u r knowledge but its just a literal definition. In practice , i think we can relate slave with davadasi and real dom with god , Its a prototype .In history they have another name rajdasi,swadasi....

aldompdx -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/27/2010 3:28:57 PM)
quote: romanticize parts of historical slavery That is the thrust of the Vedas, which sing the praises (rewriting history and validating) of invading Aryans (second Homosapien migration from Africa) who conquor, enslave, and kill the aboriginal Dravidians (first Homosapien migration from Africa). anua147: If you don't want to hear other's point of view, then don't start a thread here. "You" may be able, but "WE" (includes me) cannot relate red to green, meat to spinach, or sacred devotion to your fantasy of non-consensual oppressive enslavement and prostitution. I think your argument is appropriate to the patrons of Kamathipura. What you promote is the precise topic of this documentary: The Day My God Died Which I encourage every person to watch and learn about what is a REAL slave. The title says that a sex slave does not worship a god, and thus is not a devadasi (god's servant), rajdasi (king's servant), or swadasi (self servant). The literal meaning has been bastardized through common usage in order to glorify and validate human oppression and abuse, just as in the Vedas. That is, "enslaved prostitution is a good thing, because such a person is incapable of being productive and self-sufficient any other way." The philosophical issue is this: Unlike the discriminatory caste system of India, which invites prejudice and opprerssion, the philosophy of BDSM is about free choice from equality and diversity. In BDSM, surrender is by choice, not by station in life, or traffic of sex slaves. See: God's Own Slaves I oppose any attitude that sex slave traffic, or even its encouragement, is acceptable in any form.

oldbabyface -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/28/2010 12:20:42 PM)
Okay you're looking for a female slave - got that. They say the ideal job advert is the one where only the ideal candidate replies. I'm wondering if this is the purpose of the OP? I mean given the arcane language would only your ideal applicant understand it and so reply?

anua147 -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/28/2010 1:50:52 PM)
i here to find others point of view, few of them respond seriously.I think in this community very few of members using forums(very experienced persons). Your knowledge and experience are very relevant. But what the meaning of this message """Okay you're looking for a female slave - got that. They say the ideal job advert is the one where only the ideal candidate replies. I'm wondering if this is the purpose of the OP? I mean given the arcane language would only your ideal applicant understand it and so reply?"""unfortunately this person feel my post as an add ! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i have a request please, in Sanskrit which word can i used for slave or servant?i think its dasi i use the word slave instead of dasi! i am not just thinking about a slave for me or some one for sex.am thinking of some bad practice i feel here................. sir, I oppose any attitude that sex traffic(any type)------------------------------"""Selling is finding a need and filling that need. """it an is an art, a science, a transaction, relationship building, all about trust. Not about body and money.some of us think so its our problem.

aldompdx -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/28/2010 10:35:37 PM)
dasi, shishya, shraavaka, prapatti... It is the mastery of self, not another, which commands respect.

CalifChick -> RE: devadasi:-> Atmavikravi( a person who sold himself) (8/29/2010 11:20:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: anua147 i here to find others point of view, few of them respond seriously.I think in this community very few of members using forums(very experienced persons). Your knowledge and experience are very relevant. But what the meaning of this message """Okay you're looking for a female slave - got that. People are responding seriously. Unfortunately, they do not understand what you are trying to say. Your first post was merely a series of statements without a question or an understandable purpose. "Okay you're looking for a female slave - got that." - This means that the person understands that you are looking for a female slave. The "got that" at the end means "I understand". Cali

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