RE: Being Your Slave (Full Version)

All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Ask a Submissive



Message


CaringandReal -> RE: Being Your Slave (8/29/2010 5:08:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

B) From my studies of Shakespeare, while I enjoy his work considerably, I don't take it too seriously. He was like many a writer of the day, trying to curry favor and make a buck.



Was he gay or rumored gay? Could he have been writing about another man?




CaringandReal -> RE: Being Your Slave (8/29/2010 5:17:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1

I like intensity, but that was way too gothic for me.


Ok, I had to Wiki that. There have been many gothic movements in history. The older ones are interesting to look at. I have done so only lightly, but there were death cults in them, and I believe the churches/catecombs made out of human bones were built during one such period. I wondered if one such time corresponded with Shakespare's day. Per thee Wiki, gothic architecture (and everything that went with it) began in the 12th century and lasted through through 16th. Shakespeare: end of 16th to beginning of 17th century.

So there was some overlap. Hmm! While I don't imagine that was what you meant, I appreciate your bringing up the point, because it gave me some food for thought!




CaringandReal -> RE: Being Your Slave (8/29/2010 5:24:40 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kana

I also tend to view profiles full of such stuff with a jaded eye. Seems like lots of...how to put this politely...questionable profiles are full of pithy quotes as opposed to anything of substance.




I see lots of male dom profiles like that. In fact, all too frequently I'll see a profile that is ALL quotes: 5 or 10 in a row, or a long song or two,with no actual words from the writer. The only thing I question about such a person is why he is letting someone else do his thinking and communicating for him? I don't associate over-quoters with scamers or gameplayers: just people who who have, sadly, shut down their minds.

I liked Porcelaine's suggestion that if you quote something like this in a profile, you ought to say, in your own words, why it's there and what it means to you.




CaringandReal -> RE: Being Your Slave (8/29/2010 6:04:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: texangael

It speaks of an absolute and unwavering trust by the submissive in the dominant.



Yes it does, doesn't it? And perhaps also of will to obey, will to follow the rules of this relationship and his love for this person, no matter what the cost.

While the stanzas sound sad to me on the surface, I sense this writer is getting his fix, he's getting something very good from this dark situation. I sense an exaltation cloaking itself in the shadows of lonliness, empty days, waiting, doing one's duty (or maybe not cloaking itself but rather existing beside all of that), and I think that this exaltation is one of the core engines that drives submissives or slaves. You know how runners get a runner's high, despite the painful work of running? I think sometimes that submissives experience something similar when they are faced with and have to get through hard, unpleasant times that thoroughly challenge their commitment to obey.

quote:



"So true a fool is love that in your will
Though you do anything, he thinks no ill."
...



It's interesting that you quoted that last couplet as representing that trust. In contrast, I read that couplet as bitter-sounding but maybe not heartfelt; I imagined that the poet put it there to get people to nod in agreement, and distract them from and perhaps nuetralize the... gothic intensity (good phrase, Sexyred) of the other stanzas by explaining them away as just one of the dumb romantic things you do when you are in love. Why he would do that I have no idea. It's just a subjective feeling I got from the poem.

quote:

It may not be a realistic expectation for a relationship, but it is a hope in all my relationships.


Nods. For mine, too.

And yeah, people being human and life being the monster that it sometimes is, it is probably not realistic, but I think, with a little luck and a willingness to keep working and growing on both sides, it's my experience that it can be achieved most of the time.




QuirkyAnne -> RE: Being Your Slave (8/29/2010 7:38:27 PM)

Completely unrealistic.  While a slave might live to serve his/her owner, they've still got better things to do than sit around all day waiting for my every action to be ordered and wait upon someone hand and foot.  Most slaves, unless they're owned by a master who is independently wealthy, still have to work regular jobs and take care of everyday concerns.




CaringandReal -> RE: Being Your Slave (9/2/2010 4:38:49 AM)

Although the majority of responses to this writing were entirely within the range of what I expected, I had hoped to see a little more variety. There was some variety, of course, (nods to certain posters) but not as much as I had wished for. It makes perfect sense that most of the people who responded would respond as they did. Most of the respondents seem "relatively" (in quotes because I cannot, of course, know anybody's true circumstances--I just see what they say about them in public) happy, settled, secure in relationships that do not try one in the same ways that the writer of the piece suggests he is tried. If I was in such circumstances, no, make that _when_ I was in such circumstances, I believe I reasoned similarly (although the writing still moved me emotionally and I refused to entirely nullify its impact with reason). Perhaps it moved me because I have something of an unbridled imagination. I can easily place myself in another's circumstances, and whether that placement is an accurate representation or not (I rather doubt it is in those cases I have have little direct experience with), it is certainly most detailed and vivid.

Someone in circumstances other than a happy, live-in (or at least too-contented-to-move-on) pair might view this sonnet quite differently, however. My circumstances are often strange, strange in that I see virtually nobody talking about similar things, anywhere I go. I've lived through one of the hardest things: losing a beloved master who was perfect for me, almost too perfect, in that being around him caused me to feel how undeserving I was every day I was with him. That led, later, to near-crippling low self esteem when I lost him. I had been with him a very long time and a bond built on so many years, like a blood vessel that's grown large and carries a great capacity, is a difficult thing to recover from when it breaks.

But there are plenty of other things, although not as hard as this, that are also quite difficult or as difficult to live through, many of which, although I haven't experienced and probably never will, I can still strongly empathize with. I think the sonnet writer is describing a very trying experience, and romantic as that poem is, rather than wallowing in sentiment, I expereince it as him giving himself a pep talk of the "suck it up!" (or "strap it on," as Steven King might say) variety. The writer is going through something not just a little hard but significantly hard and, when imagining what I might do under similar duress, I perceive him as trying to comfort himself by remembering the core reasons he's experiencing what he is experiencing. I see him as putting his priorities and experience into perspective precisely so he doesn't go wallowing in the "Oh, I'm so abused!" sentiment that seems to lurk so dangerously close to his actual thoughts. The purpose of such pep talks (I can speak with some experience here, I give them to myself in varying circumstances) is to remind oneself in hard times of the reasons you are undergoing the experiences and maybe the possible future good that may come of them. While there isn't any overt speech in that sonnet about possible good outcomes, I think there is one being implied and that is the idea that steadfastness is both its own reward (given the beneficial improvements one can experience from practicing it) and a practice that makes almost anything possible of achieving.

I have a vague memory of hearing this thing sung somewhere once. Yes indeed, someone turned this into a song! :D I remember not liking the musical version because it _did_ wallow in sentiment, in ways I think the author never intended for the words. ... Oh yes, 30 seconds on Youtube turned it up. This is a very confused song, IMO. (The musical metaphors are quite...mixed.) If you didn't like the sonnet already or were neutral to it, this little number may be enough to tip you over into hatred. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w27j2DzGLw




Page: <<   < prev  1 [2]

Valid CSS!




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy
2.929688E-02