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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Right, Ken. Your standard game when you get called on bullshit. You'll invent some highly specific challenge, and keep changing the definitions when it still doesn't work. I'm off to the fair, preferring at least three awful trips to the bathroom in the night, to your company.

Perhaps while I'm gone, you'd like to Google up Credit Mobilier (convert that 1872 money into todays and see what you get!), and maybe check Grant's secretary in the Whiskey Ring scandal.

Maybe you can ask yourself too, why the prospect of President Obama and his administration being scrutinized scares you so badly that you must try to derail the thread with this.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Right, Ken. Your standard game when you get called on bullshit. You'll invent some highly specific challenge, and keep changing the definitions when it still doesn't work. I'm off to the fair, preferring at least three awful trips to the bathroom in the night, to your company.

Perhaps while I'm gone, you'd like to Google up Credit Mobilier (convert that 1872 money into todays and see what you get!), and maybe check Grant's secretary in the Whiskey Ring scandal.

Maybe you can ask yourself too, why the prospect of President Obama and his administration being scrutinized scares you so badly that you must try to derail the thread with this.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

To the OP;

It sounds like a really awful idea to me, Sanity. That is not the mandate I want to send to the potential congessional leadership. They should not go there to "get" President Obama.

Let's just remember that this are very precarious times, and our President is already in way over his head. Do we need a presumed Repubican congress going above and beyond to push him down further? I'll sometimes ask more extreme Republicans if they think the added pressure of the investigations kept the Clinton administration from focusing more attention on the growing Al Qaeda thing. They don't seem to like that question. Bill denies it, of course.

No. There are lots of good reasons to want single-party rule ended. This isn't one of them.

Don't get me wrong. This adminstration is from Chicago. There might very well be a need for a congressional investigation or two, but I don't think that should be seen as a plank in the agenda.

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Candidate Obama promised transparency

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Did you miss the people who voted for 0bama0 because he was black?
There are a million things that go into an election; his race was one of them, and imo it helped him.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I'm not convinced that it was that big of a factor.  Although I agree that there are people who voted for him because he's black, I suspect that they would have supported a Dem candidate anyway.  In other words, a wash.  Likewise, anyone who voted against him for his race would have been conservative enough to not vote Dem anyway.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Did you miss the people who voted for 0bama0 because he was black?
There are a million things that go into an election; his race was one of them, and imo it helped him.

I'm not convinced that it was that big of a factor.  Although I agree that there are people who voted for him because he's black, I suspect that they would have supported a Dem candidate anyway.  In other words, a wash.  Likewise, anyone who voted against him for his race would have been conservative enough to not vote Dem anyway.

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Although I agree that there are people who voted for him because he's black, I suspect that they would have supported a Dem candidate anyway.

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ORIGINAL: Brain


I wouldn't vote for either party. The Democrats are better than the Republicans but if there is a good progressive candidate I would vote for that candidate. There are some good progressives Democrats like Dennis Kucinich but not enough.

Endangered species these days are not the polar bears it’s the moderate Republican.

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If ever you needed a reason to vote GOP here it is:

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy



This doesnt square with the facts. Blacks alone voted for Obama far more than they normally go Dem, and their turnout was a higher proportion of the total than normal.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy



This doesnt square with the facts. Blacks alone voted for Obama far more than they normally go Dem, and their turnout was a higher proportion of the total than normal.

Proof?

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ORIGINAL: pogo4pres


The both of you are fucking incorrect, totally and completely, the single most corrupt presidency was that of the Republican dude from Whittier California, not the Republican dude that was from Tampico, Illinois. 


Historically,
Some Knucklehead in NJ

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Candidate Obama promised transparency

Do you remember who said: "Candidate Obama promised a lot of things"? Nancy Pelosi [:D] [:D] [:D]

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It was pointed out to Pelosi by reporters today that President Obama, on the campaign trail, promised the health reform process would happen in front of TV cameras.

"There are a number of things that he swore on the campaign trail," Pelosi said jokingly.

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Besides, she argued that the process has been transparent up until now.

"There has never been a more open process for any legislation," she said, also arguing that placing legislation on the Internet before it is voted on represents “another town venue.”

She and Rep. Chris van Hollen, who is in charge of plotting House Democrats’ reelection strategy, argued that hearings on health reform throughout the year, markups in the Spring and town hall meetings in August make the reform process unprecedented in its openness.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

Google is your friend. Turnout proportion increased from about 11% of total to about 13% of total votes and their Dem vote was 95% compared to 88% in 2004.

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My draft number was 8, and there was no fucking way I was going to go get MY ass shot off for those pigfucker Rethugs.