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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/30/2010 5:17:51 PM   
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Win, I doubt he is gone permanently. I am sure someone will run out to save his gorgeous self, Bill maybe?


Whoa whoa whoa.... I haven't seen the new episode yet, but are you SERIOUSLY telling me that they killed off Eric? That SOOOO didn't happen in the books!!!

Calla

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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/30/2010 5:23:06 PM   
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oops! Umm...go back to sleep, Calla. You are dreaming. yeah, that's it. You dreamed this entire thing...

(tiptoes away)

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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/30/2010 5:45:29 PM   
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Win, I doubt he is gone permanently. I am sure someone will run out to save his gorgeous self, Bill maybe?



No Not Bill or Sookie, I think Pam will save his ass.



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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/30/2010 5:46:08 PM   
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Maybe I just have a thing for short cute Men, but I was more upset at the loss of Godric last season...

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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/30/2010 7:57:14 PM   
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I don't get HBO but I rented one season of True Blood and couldn't even watch it. The books are so much better.

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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/30/2010 9:01:05 PM   
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To the OP (I think more posts on this thread are about True Blood than they are about the OP)...I'm not a believer in fairness across the board in M/s and D/s.  For me, double standards are ok.  Then again, we all get to decide what we're comfortable with and what we want to live with.  There are rules in place for me that I don't expect him to do.  There are things he takes on as his "job" that I'm not expected to do.  I don't believe all things must be equal across the board.  At least not for me.


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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/30/2010 10:05:52 PM   
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I have certain desires in a partner. When you meet people you are attracted to on some levels (but not all), at some point the differences become evident. These differences can be innocent or they might culminate in some sort of showstopper. When you face the differences and attempt to address them through the relationship, all sorts of results might occur, some of them uglier than others.

Let's pretend that I'm someone who appreciates women who are of average to below-average build. (We'll ignore the fact that I myself am 'larger than life' and that 'tit for tat' isn't part of this fantasy.) That would be a trait that I want. I don't impose on it an importance of being a requirement, but it's a desire. Now, I meet someone who I am attracted to on so many levels, yet this one comes up lacking. According to the scenario in the OP and adding a D/s layer to it, we (this prospective partner) address the issue head-on. The s-type acknowledges that she is not quite what I would like but in a pleasing manner wants to change to please me. I agree, and why would I not?

Now, weight can be a tricky business. For some people, they can make whatever alterations they need (diet, exercise, something else) and produce results with some haste. For others, it is not so easy. Frame, physical or psychological aspects, and other contributing factors might make positive results difficult or impossible. Both parties might wish the d-type wants to 'dominate' the s-type into generating these positive results, but what happens if these results are not forthcoming, or slow to take effect?

Frustration. Is the d-type not dominating or masterly (mistress-ly?) enough? Is the s-type not trying or sabotaging the results? And if, in the case of the married couple, they demonstrate that they will base the future of the relationship on these results and failure occurs, much good is thrown away over one issue (of varying importance depending on the person).

What is the answer? Settling, and feeling good about the other positive traits that the partner has? Not getting involved with that person to begin with? Giving it that college try and succeeding or failing? And what of the lost time waiting for the results that never occurred?

In my mind, one thing becomes clear. I might be able to teach you how to cook to my taste. I might be able to teach you how to clean to my taste. I might be able to teach you how to take a beating to my taste. I might be able to teach you any number of tangible things where results are relatively easy to attain. But even if my trade is in the dietary or physical fitness arenas, is it possible to 'teach' the absolute correct behaviors and ensure 100% of the time. I think not. Is it fair to make this a requirement of a relationship, even if it is the solemn goal of each partner?

And what about that 'tit for tat'? Is it fair for an s-type to demonstrate that they (through training or on their own) can work on and achieve results in this area while the d-type is lacking? Some s-types call this 'not being able to control themself so how can they control me'?

People sure are funny, aren't they?

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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/30/2010 10:46:45 PM   
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Wow Jeff, looks like you put a lot of thought into this hypothetical situation. You make some good points, which I'm sure the OP will appreciate.

People are indeed funny. Go figure.

Sadly, it points out all the glaring complications in my expectation of finding a god to move in and whip my ass into shape. Definitely makes it appear unrealistic. Awwwell, it really was a nice fantasy. I'm going to miss it


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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/31/2010 12:11:08 AM   
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Not getting involved with that person to begin with?


Since I think sports and nutrition are important, it's likely most of the women I end up with think likewise. I'm also a vegetarian, currently. (Haven't always been).

But it's not weight, but the capacity to manage one's health that I find attractive.

It's like if you really care about having pets, you end up with people who like pets. So yarrr...

What I definately don't plan on ever doing is playing "amateur psychologist" with someone's self esteem, which is why I don't like this whole idea of "whipping into shape".
That's just a disaster waiting to happen.

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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/31/2010 12:26:07 AM   
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Ahem...you both (twoshoes and jeff) suck! I don't go bursting your fantasy bubbles!

This week blows. I've lost Eric, and now my dream religion of worshipping my live-in god of weightloss.

I'm probably going to have to block you both before you ruin Easter and Christmas for me too.

ETA: I should probably put in a disclaimer here. It seems obvious to me, that I'm just joking around, and not the least bit serious, but in case there's any doubt please take note and avoid the whole unpleasantness of taking the above post to heart.



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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/31/2010 2:57:16 AM   
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wow, I haven't seen a post of yours in a while agirl. Wherever you've been hiding at, it's nice to see your name show up.


Ditto Jeff, ditto. Regards to Carol.



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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/31/2010 4:09:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

Ahem...you both (twoshoes and jeff) suck! I don't go bursting your fantasy bubbles!

This week blows. I've lost Eric, and now my dream religion of worshipping my live-in god of weightloss.

I'm probably going to have to block you both before you ruin Easter and Christmas for me too.

ETA: I should probably put in a disclaimer here. It seems obvious to me, that I'm just joking around, and not the least bit serious, but in case there's any doubt please take note and avoid the whole unpleasantness of taking the above post to heart.



How can you say how awful things are?

You still have perky-boy chained up in your attic, don't you? Have him nibble on your toes until he gets off probation.

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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/31/2010 8:16:25 AM   
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Ahem...you both (twoshoes and jeff) suck! I don't go bursting your fantasy bubbles!

This week blows. I've lost Eric, and now my dream religion of worshipping my live-in god of weightloss.

I'm probably going to have to block you both before you ruin Easter and Christmas for me too.

ETA: I should probably put in a disclaimer here. It seems obvious to me, that I'm just joking around, and not the least bit serious, but in case there's any doubt please take note and avoid the whole unpleasantness of taking the above post to heart.



How can you say how awful things are?

Jeff


Well, who am I to slash at your dreams, WD? If anything, I'm a dream peddler...

Perhaps you will stumble across the male version of LadyNTrainer.
Could be that your next romantic partner will cook for you from time to time, because he simply enjoys creating things.
Or you will wind up being pursued by one of those slightly darker men of Mediterranean descent who know how to make 45 different kinds of salads (only 23 of which involve feta cheese).
Maybe, he'll insist on your company during his long walks through the hilly vineyards he owns.
Of course, all of this, without taking heed of any protests testing his resolve.

I hope that helps.

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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/31/2010 9:34:07 AM   
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LOL, the Mediteranean guy would be cool. I could finally finish off the carton of feta cheese that I've had in my refrigerator for so long.

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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/31/2010 9:51:30 AM   
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LOL, the Mediteranean guy would be cool. I could finally finish off the carton of feta cheese that I've had in my refrigerator for so long.


Alright, but be warned: Mediterranean guys tend to be abit hairy.

Disclaimer: I mean no offense to anyone, I was born there.

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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/31/2010 10:57:00 AM   
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LOL, the Mediteranean guy would be cool. I could finally finish off the carton of feta cheese that I've had in my refrigerator for so long.


Alright, but be warned: Mediterranean guys tend to be abit hairy.

Disclaimer: I mean no offense to anyone, I was born there.


Nice! A Yeti would come in very handy in the cold Michigan winters!


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RE: A question of expectations... - 8/31/2010 11:07:04 AM   
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When submitting to a Dom/Domme who has expectations that the sub maintain a particular weight, is it then generally acceptable that the sub have the same type of expectation? Do the expectations of the sub hold just as much importance? Weight is just one example, everyone has different expectations.

The question arose due to a vanilla couple I know that have agreed neither of them is to gain or lose more than 10 pounds (pregnancy being the exception). This agreement comes with the threat of divorce. They are happy and have been married for 15 years but theirs is not a D/s relationship.



you can 'expect' whatever your little heart desires; getting it is a whole other ball of wax...

personally speaking, i believe your friends have unreal expectations, and down the road, when menopause and hormonal issues start effecting both of them, they will either realize it, or divorce...

i wonder if there's a 'if you get breast/prostate cancer and have to have body parts removed', i will leave you' clause in there as well.

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RE: A question of expectations... - 9/3/2010 8:51:27 AM   
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Win, I doubt he is gone permanently. I am sure someone will run out to save his gorgeous self, Bill maybe?


Whoa whoa whoa.... I haven't seen the new episode yet, but are you SERIOUSLY telling me that they killed off Eric? That SOOOO didn't happen in the books!!!

Calla


I am certainly happy I just got caught up on True Blood last night or I would be crying like a baby right now. He is NOT gone forever, unless they venture very far from the plotline in the books. I've been waiting to see if they would follow the plotline from her 4th book I believe, I hope they do and Eric is very necessary.

As for expectations, I would not think that the submissive would have any expectations outside of any matters which were negotiated before the relationship got underway.

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