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Brain -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:13:35 PM)

It's not crazy because all I ever heard all the time was complaining about ending the occupation. Not to mention surveys done for the Iraqi people and the Iraqis wanted the Americans to leave.

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I think you lost the plot somewhere dear chap, cos that comment is newtshit crazy




TheHeretic -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:14:25 PM)

Ok. Nice words about Bush II, smoke blown up the asses of the veterans. I say that because there seemed to be a few words missing from the speechwriters vocabulary that could easily be expected in a speech about two wars. They are also words he denied to the men and women who risked and sacrificed so much. They didn't "win." They didn't even "succeed." They "completed their mission."

President Obama did manage to use the word "victory" this time. He said the US isn't capable of it.






thishereboi -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:15:00 PM)

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I didn't like his red tie. The fact that he's wearing a red tie means to me is not concentrating on his base. He's more interested in Wall Street and being bipartisan.


Rent 2 Disney movies[8|]




Brain -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:19:40 PM)


Why should Bush get credit for bribing them not to fight? What a waste of taxpayer money!
I'm going to wait a year and if a Civil War does not happen then I will say the surge worked.


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

That statement is just the opposite of giving Bush credit for the surge.





tazzygirl -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:20:51 PM)

Which words?

Words like valor?

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Part of that responsibility is making sure that we honor our commitments to those who have served our country with such valor.


Or...

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As long as I am President, we will maintain the finest fighting force that the world has ever known, and do whatever it takes to serve our veterans as well as they have served us. This is a sacred trust. That is why we have already made one of the largest increases in funding for veterans in decades. We are treating the signature wounds of today's wars post-traumatic stress and traumatic brain injury, while providing the health care and benefits that all of our veterans have earned. And we are funding a post-9/11 GI Bill that helps our veterans and their families pursue the dream of a college education. Just as the GI Bill helped those who fought World War II- including my grandfather- become the backbone of our middle class, so today's servicemen and women must have the chance to apply their gifts to expand the American economy. Because part of ending a war responsibly is standing by those who have fought it.


or....


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Of course, the soldiers left much behind. Some were teenagers when the war began. Many have served multiple tours of duty, far from their families who bore a heroic burden of their own, enduring the absence of a husband's embrace or a mother's kiss. Most painfully, since the war began fifty-five members of the Fourth Stryker Brigade made the ultimate sacrifice -part of over 4,400 Americans who have given their lives in Iraq. As one staff sergeant said, "I know that to my brothers in arms who fought and died, this day would probably mean a lot."


or....

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Those Americans gave their lives for the values that have lived in the hearts of our people for over two centuries. Along with nearly 1.5 million Americans who have served in Iraq, they fought in a faraway place for people they never knew. They stared into the darkest of human creations -war -and helped the Iraqi people seek the light of peace.

In an age without surrender ceremonies, we must earn victory through the success of our partners and the strength of our own nation. Every American who serves joins an unbroken line of heroes that stretches from Lexington to Gettysburg; from Iwo Jima to Inchon; from Khe Sanh to Kandahar - Americans who have fought to see that the lives of our children are better than our own. Our troops are the steel in our ship of state. And though our nation may be travelling through rough waters, they give us confidence that our course is true, and that beyond the pre-dawn darkness, better days lie ahead.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/obamas-iraq-speech-no-mission.html?hpid=topnews

This also addresses your comment about the word victory. What you posted was not what he said at all. Why twist his words? Did you listen or read his speech at all?




Lucylastic -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:21:45 PM)

I think the fumes are still affecting him




TheHeretic -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:26:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

In an age without surrender ceremonies, we must earn victory through the success of our partners(...) Why twist his words? Did you listen or read his speech at all?



You put the bold on it yourself, Tazzy


The rest is the smoke.




tazzygirl -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:28:58 PM)

You expected a victory party instead?




TheHeretic -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:30:00 PM)

Unfortunately, Tazzy, this was pretty much exactly what I expected.




tazzygirl -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:31:44 PM)

a victory party for a group of soldiers who never wanted to go, but went to do their duty. who are happy they are returning home, but saddened by the loss of those they knew and befriended while there.

Why dont you ask a few of them, face to face, what they wanted in a way of a victory party.




Sanity -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:34:03 PM)


This immediately on the heels of a ten day vacation specifically intended to "recharge his batteries" too.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5juui7didNwh_vzBmJyrbjxkeF-IgD9HMON2G1


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
Why does such an amazing orator suck at it so badly now? I may go read a transcript later, but I damn near fell asleep at the wheel listening to the speech on the way home. Thank God I missed the first few minutes, or it could have been bad.






tazzygirl -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:39:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I think the fumes are still affecting him


LOL

i think alot of them are having trouble with fumes... or maybe its just their own fumes that they cant really find anything to denigrate Obama about.

Smoke and mirrors... rofl

more like fumes and delusions on the behalf of the conservative side.




Sanity -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:43:11 PM)


What are you talking about, because theres no reason to denigrate Obama.

Just put a fork in him.




tazzygirl -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:44:28 PM)

I do adore your fantasy world!




Sanity -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 7:56:57 PM)


Hard to blame you for lashing out like that, you poor dear. And to think, denial is only the second stage...   [8|]

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Tidal wave? 10-point poll edge for GOP


...The Gallup poll, coming at the end of a brutal August for Democrats and President Barack Obama, reinforces the rapidly forming prevailing view that the horizon is as bleak for Democrats as it ever has been.


Indeed, the Republicans' 51 percent to 41 percent for Democrats on the generic ballot poll represents the largest Republican edge heading into a midterm election since the poll was first conducted in the 1942 election cycle, giving them greater reason for optimism than in the weeks leading up to their 1952 and 1994 House takeovers. It also represents a stunning reversal from the 6-point lead Democrats posted in the poll mid-July.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41603.html#ixzz0yF7H2d84



Even Jimmy Carters supporters didnt have things this bad.








Sanity -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 8:07:51 PM)

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FACT CHECK: Is Iraq combat really over for U.S.?

WASHINGTON – Despite President Barack Obama's declaration Tuesday of an end to the combat mission in Iraq, combat almost certainly lies ahead.

And in asserting the U.S. has met its responsibilities in Iraq, the president opened the door wide to a debate about the meaning of success in the muddle that most — but not all — American troops are leaving behind.

A look at some of the statements Obama made in his Oval Office speech and how they compare with the facts:

OBAMA: "Tonight, I am announcing that the American combat mission in Iraq has ended."

THE FACTS:

Full article here






TheHeretic -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 8:16:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Why dont you ask a few of them, face to face, what they wanted in a way of a victory party.



Tread careful, Tazzy. Two of my brothers, several cousins, and a pending sister-in-law all served over there. I've seen them react when a sonic boom hits my house.

They don't need to hear a beautifully written speech their Commander in Chief can't be bothered to deliver well, that essentially comes down to, "you poor thing., you did the very best you could, but don't worry, we'll take care of you now."

If we are going to be sending our young people into a meatgrinder, it would be nice of their CIC to actually say he wants them to win the war, he is sending them to fight.




tazzygirl -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 9:09:56 PM)

He didnt send them to fight it.

I have had many relatives and co-workers go over as well. Many returning angry that they were sent, angrier that many didnt come home, but resigned to do their duty.

Not a single one of them want a victory party. What they want is their lives back.




tazzygirl -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 9:12:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Hard to blame you for lashing out like that, you poor dear. And to think, denial is only the second stage...   [8|]

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Tidal wave? 10-point poll edge for GOP


...The Gallup poll, coming at the end of a brutal August for Democrats and President Barack Obama, reinforces the rapidly forming prevailing view that the horizon is as bleak for Democrats as it ever has been.


Indeed, the Republicans' 51 percent to 41 percent for Democrats on the generic ballot poll represents the largest Republican edge heading into a midterm election since the poll was first conducted in the 1942 election cycle, giving them greater reason for optimism than in the weeks leading up to their 1952 and 1994 House takeovers. It also represents a stunning reversal from the 6-point lead Democrats posted in the poll mid-July.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41603.html#ixzz0yF7H2d84



Even Jimmy Carters supporters didnt have things this bad.




There is no denial, sweetcheeks.

I was extremely curious as to who would make this into a political debate... or a political stab... first. Seems you and Heritic win.

Shame neither of you could first say.... Welcome Home... to the troops before starting your political spins.




DarkSteven -> RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal (8/31/2010 9:22:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Obama seemed to forget that he was dead set against the surge in Iraq. The surge worked but he also forgot to give any credit to the president who presided him who was responsible for the surge. That speech was a joke.



I keep hearing that the surge "worked".

If it had in fact worked, we would be declaring victory in Iraq.  The surge turned an untenable situation into a horrific one and prolonged a war that - let's face it - we are withdrawing from right now.




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