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RE: Focus on the economy and creating millions of jobs? - 9/2/2010 8:53:23 PM   
Marini


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


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ORIGINAL: Marini

I heard bits and pieces of President Obama's speech yesterday.
I heard President Obama state that he was going to put more emphasis on the American economy, and job creation.

Any idea's on what industries the jobs will be created in?
We have some very bright posters around here, and deep thinkers.

I would love to hear where people think some of the millions of jobs, that are needed NOW, will be coming from.

Will many of them be well paying jobs with bright futures?
What does the future look like for the struggling middle class in America?
Is the middle class really being "hollowed out?"

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/08/the-hollowing-out-of-americas-middle-class/62330/


Marini, my magic eight ball says "doubtfull."
Anytime a job becomes "good" with "good pay and benefits" it gets outsourced to a foreign country.


I will give you 2 thumbs up, and a high five for this remark!
It has been a real experience, watching this country sell itself out for the last 25-30 years, I always thought the first law of nature was "self preservation".
lol


well its Friday eve, why not share a link from Norma Sherry?
weeeeeeeeeeeeee


Here is an oldie but goodie, "where oh where have all the jobs gone?" sing this to the tune of your favorite disco song.
http://www.opednews.com/sherry022404_jobs.htm

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RE: Focus on the economy and creating millions of jobs? - 9/2/2010 8:58:35 PM   
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Where do you think the government took that 700 billion from, and how much harm do you think it will do to take that 700 billion from the people who originally earn it? If its truly stimulating as you suggest then taking it away in the first place has to be the exact opposite of stimulating. Doesnt it? In the end government stimulus is like a mugger hitting you over the head and knocking you out, taking your wallet and then contributing a small sum to your hospital bill.

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How would the wonderful "free market" system be doing, without the 700 billion to bail them out?????


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RE: Focus on the economy and creating millions of jobs? - 9/2/2010 11:14:37 PM   
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It seems to me Obama thinks the current joblessness levels can be managed, and the problem does not deserve drastic measures. His current activity could be classified as a pre-election PR campaign.
The US economy is stable and it is growing on very low pace. The companies make profits and the stock prices have not fallen substantially. Bank profits are at pre-crisis level (a sign of economy sickness actually, they collect interest on debt).
So, there is actually no need for drastic actions (from the White House perspective). Similar trends can be noticed in Euroland: many countries manage high unemployment without any attempt to make structural adjustments in the economy. Jobless are kept (as much as possible)  invisible suffering minority while the country puts out a happy facade.
It would be very difficult (if not impossible) to make US Congress act for a new stimulus. Even if something would get passed, it would be a caricature what is actually required due to needed pork additions.  Targeted infrastructure spending would work in principle. Also, the idea that is floating around, eliminating payroll tax for few years (Republicans could join this one). Hopeless would be to try to cut military spending (both Democrats and Republicans who are making decisions obviously do not even consider the option).
The biggest problem USA is facing is financial. Currently huge loads of debt  banks hold are kept hidden with the hope property values will recover soon. It will not happen, and it can potentially result in another crash. Some economists say: the earliest possibility will be the next spring.
Sorry to make such a prediction, but there is no hope for many unemployed for years to come. In Europe they can search for work abroad. Mexico economy  is predicted to grow in perspective. Maybe they will take better skilled US workers in near future.

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RE: Focus on the economy and creating millions of jobs? - 9/3/2010 3:54:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Fellow

It seems to me Obama thinks the current joblessness levels can be managed, and the problem does not deserve drastic measures. His current activity could be classified as a pre-election PR campaign.
The US economy is stable and it is growing on very low pace. The companies make profits and the stock prices have not fallen substantially. Bank profits are at pre-crisis level (a sign of economy sickness actually, they collect interest on debt).
So, there is actually no need for drastic actions (from the White House perspective). Similar trends can be noticed in Euroland: many countries manage high unemployment without any attempt to make structural adjustments in the economy. Jobless are kept (as much as possible)  invisible suffering minority while the country puts out a happy facade.
It would be very difficult (if not impossible) to make US Congress act for a new stimulus. Even if something would get passed, it would be a caricature what is actually required due to needed pork additions.  Targeted infrastructure spending would work in principle. Also, the idea that is floating around, eliminating payroll tax for few years (Republicans could join this one). Hopeless would be to try to cut military spending (both Democrats and Republicans who are making decisions obviously do not even consider the option).
The biggest problem USA is facing is financial. Currently huge loads of debt  banks hold are kept hidden with the hope property values will recover soon. It will not happen, and it can potentially result in another crash. Some economists say: the earliest possibility will be the next spring.
Sorry to make such a prediction, but there is no hope for many unemployed for years to come. In Europe they can search for work abroad. Mexico economy  is predicted to grow in perspective. Maybe they will take better skilled US workers in near future.



Thank you for an interesting and well thought out post.
I like the way you insert humor and sarcasm at the same time.

Of course our economy is going to "crash", probably many more times, as we continue our downward national spiral towards our 21st version of the modern day "DEPRESSION".

Of course we can create some jobs building "infrastructure", "high speed rail" and maybe a fair amount of green/energy jobs, but will that sustain employment for the MILLIONS that are out of work, or the MILLIONS more that are seriously underemployed?

Whichever way you want to spin it, this "economy"/or problems in our economy, is the #1 issue facing America, on this Labor Day weekend.

When the unemployment numbers come out, they will not be accurate about the real number unemployed {those that have given up, etc.}.
So if the gov. states it's around 10%, it is really at least 20%.

Happy Labor Day!

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RE: Focus on the economy and creating millions of jobs? - 9/3/2010 7:28:24 AM   
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Hi Marini

Check this piece in the NY Times-

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/03/opinion/03reich.html?pagewanted=2&ref=opinion

Sam

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RE: Focus on the economy and creating millions of jobs? - 9/3/2010 10:36:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OohAahMrs

Through the many slumps i have seen, it's always the service industry that creates the jobs, like we are building loads of supermarkets in the uk, great if you want a career as a shelf-stacker. The problem seems to be at least where i live, there are tens of thousands of immigrants, and more coming every day, all those service jobs which would have stimulated the recovery, are now taken by people who will work for less money. We are creating massive prroblems for the near future!


OohAah, good points.
It seems like it's the "govts" who are in favor of this nonsense not "The People".
In the U.S. the last thing we need is more people comming into this country, I would assume it's the same in Great Britain and you guys are more crowded than us!
I just don't understand the "need" to all this "immigration to Western countries".
As I've said before if we tried to import lawyers from China and India to lower the billable hourly rate for lawyers in this country it'd be stopped by,.....all the lawyers in Washington in one day!
But, "govt's" don't seem to have a problem with lowering wages for "working class people" in the U.S. through immigration do they?
So, it seems that our govt wants a small group of people to earn a lot of money but a much larger exponentially group to earn less money?

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RE: Focus on the economy and creating millions of jobs? - 9/3/2010 11:17:21 AM   
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Popeye

Check the link I posted. The answer to your last question is....yup....

Sam

PS- Immigration is a red herring, although it seems to be one of your hot buttons.

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