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Nigerian scammers - 4/22/2006 9:53:42 AM   
sub-boy


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Status: offline 		Well I've just been approached on CM via email by someone who shall remain nameless due to netiquette, which is unusual for me (but that's a different story),  but as it turns out they appear to be a Nigerian scammer.

So that begs the question - are there ways of reporting these people so that those who are (how do I say this politely) less netsavvy don't get conned?

I'd of expected some sort of "Report this profile" link on CM but there doesn't appear to be one.

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/22/2006 10:01:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is a report profile link. It comes up in "list" view. (Home) instead of when you're viewing the full profile. It also comes up under "report message" when you're reading a message from someone.

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/22/2006 10:08:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cool, thanks for the info Proprietrix.

Not the most logical of places to put the report links but who am I to judge the powers that be.

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/22/2006 10:22:16 AM   
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Note: Any messages involving Africa, Ghana, Nigeria, Singapore, wiring money, online escrow services, or cashiers checks are scams and should be ignored.  Be wary of
requests for your personal email address or money from people you just met.

< Message edited by mistoferin -- 4/22/2006 10:23:14 AM >

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/22/2006 10:36:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes I am aware of that - it's just basic common sense.

However the person in question is listed as being in the US, and has nothing in their profile which would suggest a scammer (just someone with poor english skills)

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/22/2006 10:45:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just a FYI, if you use "Report Profile" or "Report Message" then they (the powers that be) expect to be able to see the problem on the profile/message in question.

However most scammers won't put "I'm a 419 scammer" on their profile / message so this method of reporting is a bit useless for this issue.

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P.S. Before anyone replys trying to flame me (as is so often the case on forums of any sort) I didn't fall for this scam. My inital post was made to invoke discussion about this issue, highlight the issues with reporting someone on CM, make people who haven't thought or heard of 419 scamming think about it, and to get an index about this issue on the forumn for seaching purposes.

P.P.S. I am aware of the catch 22 situation if you introduce reporting of users with no visable signs of what you're reporting them for. However systems do exist to allow for fair peer review of others.

P.P.P.S. I apologise for any spelling mistakes in this post, I can't be bothered to use the spell checker.

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/22/2006 11:09:30 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sub-boy
Just a FYI, if you use "Report Profile" or "Report Message" then they (the powers that be) expect to be able to see the problem on the profile/message in question.
However most scammers won't put "I'm a 419 scammer" on their profile / message so this method of reporting is a bit useless for this issue.


If you can tell what the problem is, why wouldn't the CM officials be able to see what the problem is?
If someone sends me a lengthy message about how they just inherited X money from their dead king father and I need to give them my bank # so they can hide their $ in my account and then when they withdraw it, I'll get %...... to me, that's a scam.
If I report that message as a scam and the CM officials read it, I'd think they'd be able to tell it's a scam also, without me having to explain why it's a scam.
If they can't see a problem with the reported person/message, how could you see a problem with it?

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/22/2006 11:57:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		People still fall for that?
makes me want to agree with social darwinism...

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/22/2006 12:35:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The mods wouldn't see it as the conversation was done in private over another chat network

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/23/2006 4:14:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Any time you open an email on collarme you will notice this note right above the text of the email:


Note: Any messages involving Africa, Ghana, Nigeria, Singapore, wiring money, online escrow services, or cashiers checks are scams and should be ignored.  Be wary of
requests for your personal email address or money from people you just met.


I got contacted by such a scammer here.  She (or, more likely, he) avoided this by putting herself in London, England.  Not an implausible place for the scion of some minor African potentate to call home.  When I sent back a "Hi, why did you contact me?" message, she wanted to chat online.  And then, of course, came the big revelation that she was the only daughter of the king of this one particular region of... (wait for it)... Nigeria! 

She never got around to telling me about all the money she wanted to smuggle out of the country, though.  I suspect that the people working the keyboards at the other end have specific instructions to make a quick guesstimate of their potential victim's intelligence, and abort if they think their pigeon isn't likely to be snared.

In my case, I had scrupulously correct grammar and spelling (as an Eng. Lit. major) rapid typing, and background in research.  Even while we were conversing, I was pulling up data in other windows about when this particular monarchy was deposed, then reinstated.  I knew the name of her purported father, and those of his two(!) daughters plus their birthdates... and their ages didn't mesh with her CM profile.  I had phrases in her own (alleged) tribal dialect, and I think I was quickly coming to know more about her supposed homeland than she did herself..  She suddenly had other things she needed to do, and I never heard from her again.

Maybe the warning should be amended to add that if you find yourself chatting that doesn't seem to be aware that their profile was on a BDSM-specific site, there's a scam pending.

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/23/2006 4:57:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Most folks online have been well aware of such a thing for quite some time now; however, the frequency of these scamming occurrences seem to be getting more prevalent these past weeks for whatever reason.

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/23/2006 5:06:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well if the "scam" was attempted off CM, then i really don't see what purpose there would be in reporting them to CM, what would you hope to achieve...to protect the "uneducated" (or in your words "less net-savvy")? Do you really think there are people out there who would fall for this sort of scam? And if somebody were so daft as to fall for it, is there any reason they don't deserve whatever they get as a result?
I'm afraid that unless the action was done within the context of CM, and it violated the TOS...there is nothing that CM can or will do about it, and rightfully so, since they would only have your word for it that anything actually happened.

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/23/2006 5:07:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not only do folks still all for it but it is considered in Nigeria the largest share of their GNP

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/23/2006 5:09:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's actually quite simple. Tell them to get their little tail(s) on a plane with their own money and you wont hear from them again.
 
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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/23/2006 5:18:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm with you on that one QuietDom - I was fully aware after 5 minutes of what they were trying to pull - but at the same time I was bored and not doing anything so I thought I'd waste their time for a bit.

This one I was talking to however wasn't using the traditional (if you can have a tradition for something that can only be a few months old) deposed King/Queen thing.

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/23/2006 5:19:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had my first one here on CM who asked for money and a bank account number.. Heh <VWEG> I checked with a mate and sent them the number of a swiss bank account which has been frozen and is under survelence.

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/23/2006 5:30:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		First a disclaimer: it's late where I am so some of this may not make total sense - but you can get my drift from it I think.

I understand what your saying Arpig about them not being able to do anything - but it's a very short sighted view if you're going to let people use your service if someone can show they're up to no good, even if they're not doing it directly on your service - I would see this akin to accessory to murder.

As for there being people out there who full for this scam then all I have to say is yes there are because if there weren't then they wouldn't do it! And nobody deserves to have their naivety used against them in any circumstances - you can't blame them for it.

I also see you're point about it only being my word (although in this case I can prove what they were saying to me as everything we talked about was logged, including IP's and was done in such a way as to make it almost impossible for me to fake it). However, there are community-based systems which can be used to protect a service such as CM from people abusing it.

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/23/2006 5:35:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		CM has no authority to ban somebody for actions outside of theire service, and we don't want them to start.
If you do have everything even IPs logged, then simply report them to their ISP...who do have the authority and the reason to do something about these scammers.

Also in an earlier post you surmised this scam was only a few months old....sorry, but I recieved my first Nigerian "help me get my money" scam by email over 10 years ago...it is old, very, very old, and that is why I don't really feel for somebody who falls for it. I didn't the first time I recieved the email, and anybody who does is just greedy and hoping to rip off the Nigerian when the money gets transfered...so they are hoping to scam the scammer and so they get what they deserve.

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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/23/2006 5:45:41 PM   
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I had my first one here on CM who asked for money and a bank account number.. Heh <VWEG> I checked with a mate and sent them the number of a swiss bank account which has been frozen and is under survelence.


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RE: Nigerian scammers - 4/23/2006 5:47:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the advice - and yes I have already sent a report to whoever I could think of would be able to do something about it.

Just moving off on a slight tangent: who's this "we" that doesn't want to see a system to stop things like scams? I certainly know I would welcome a well implemented system which done this.

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