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DarkSteven -> Encourage business building? (9/3/2010 5:40:10 PM)

I have this bias that someone who build a business is more valuable than someone who runs an already-built company.  In other words, a Ted Tuner/Richard Branson/Steve Jobs brings more benefit to society in my eyes than a Richard Fuld, Carly Fiorina, or Roger Smith.

1. Does anyone else agree?
2. If you do agree, do you feel that business creation/building should be rewarded more highly than business running after the company is built?  Should there be incentives, and if so, just a lower tax rate or something else?




DCWoody -> RE: Encourage business building? (9/3/2010 5:52:59 PM)

There are incentives, plenty of grants/low interest loans etc available for business start ups.

Not sure if it's more valuable as such, just....ya don't need to encourage pre-existing businesses to start.




joether -> RE: Encourage business building? (9/3/2010 6:13:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
I have this bias that someone who build a business is more valuable than someone who runs an already-built company.  In other words, a Ted Tuner/Richard Branson/Steve Jobs brings more benefit to society in my eyes than a Richard Fuld, Carly Fiorina, or Roger Smith.

1. Does anyone else agree?
2. If you do agree, do you feel that business creation/building should be rewarded more highly than business running after the company is built?  Should there be incentives, and if so, just a lower tax rate or something else?


Management Theory. Good topic, Dark Steven.

A good business man (or woman), is one that has vision on where the company is headed, not on where its been. Start up companies, dont have much to worry about 'where it was', and so, can do better on 'where they are going'. Determining who is more valuable to a company largely depends on what the company is trying to achieve. For the most part, a entrepreneur, does well when a company is starting, or growing in to a new area, industry, or production. Where as a company that is floating for internal or external pressures, may need someone that is part accountant/salesman.

I would think the entrepreneur that creates and builds new concepts and products, usually gets rewarded. That is not always the case, sadly. And not all rewards, are in the form of green backs (as some greedy folks on this board believe). Turning something, from nothing, is a reward in itself. Increase confidence and acknowledgement are rewards, one can not buy. Finding a breakthrough technology, that helps mankind, can be a reward itself.

Entrepreneurs, tend to be a misunderstood crowd towards the polulation. Yes, they are liked, when they are right, and hated when they are wrong. Their ideas, can be simple or complex, but usually, hard for the common person to fathom, or confident such a challenge could succeed. Which, should not surprise anyone in the business world.

In an ecoomy like ours (The USA, but this applies to other similar economies), it'll be the entrepreneur, tapping in to knew schools of thought. The introduction of 'green technology' for energy is a hot money maker. As its know that oil is depleting by an unknown rate (since we dont know the total barrels of oil on planet Earth); it would make sense to have companies try out new areas of power. Yes, nuclear is an option, but the waste is deadily to the enviroment (not to mention us). Coal, likewise and similar to nuclear, but for different reasons. Hydro, solar, and wind (the renewable power sources), are in their infant stages. An entrepreneur would look in to the idea of developing the technology to increase power generated. In order to do that, takes two things: Financial and Human Capital. And what does the USA have an abunance of right now? Both. We have highly skilled workers, and the ability to set up companies with enough capital to run operations (slowly being off-set by income from power sold to customers). It was in the stilimulus bill two years ago. The funding set assign for the project, didnt go to huge, multi-state corporations either; so, where did it go? That's right, in to small businesses, trying to make a 'go' of solar, wind, and hydro generation.

Another emerging technology, is tooth restoration. That's right, grow one's teeth, using their own DNA. While the technology is still being used on mice, its not as Sci-Fi as one would have thought twenty years ago. All it takes, is a entrepreneur, some skilled employees, and financial capital investment.




DCWoody -> RE: Encourage business building? (9/3/2010 6:44:02 PM)

"I would think the entrepreneur that creates and builds new concepts and products, usually gets rewarded. That is not always the case, sadly. And not all rewards, are in the form of green backs (as some greedy folks on this board believe). Turning something, from nothing, is a reward in itself. Increase confidence and acknowledgement are rewards, one can not buy."

Yes, this.




Brain -> RE: Encourage business building? (9/3/2010 8:43:40 PM)

We already have incentives for starting new types of businesses. Governments use tax policy to stimulate growth in areas they desire. For instance, recently with the stimulus Obama wanted to develop new types of energy to reduce oil consumption. The legislation in the stimulus included incentives to reward people who are successful in creating new energy, solar or wind, for example. The incentives could be lowered tax rates, tax credits, grants and low-interest loans. I'm sure they used all of these examples.

[PDF] ANAlySiS OF POliCiES tO REDUCE Oil CONSUMPtiON AND GREENhOUSE- GAS ...
http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/Policies%20to%20Reduce%20Oil%20Consumption%20and%20Greenhouse%20Gas%20Emissions%20from%20Transportation.pdf


RENEWABLE ENERGY INCENTIVES
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxtopics/senate_renewable_energy.cfm




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Encourage business building? (9/3/2010 9:10:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I have this bias that someone who build a business is more valuable than someone who runs an already-built company.  In other words, a Ted Tuner/Richard Branson/Steve Jobs brings more benefit to society in my eyes than a Richard Fuld, Carly Fiorina, or Roger Smith.

1. Does anyone else agree?
2. If you do agree, do you feel that business creation/building should be rewarded more highly than business running after the company is built?  Should there be incentives, and if so, just a lower tax rate or something else?



I think the first a circular question. If someone takes an already succesful company and then builds it beyond the capabilities of the prior "builder", then you would call him a "builder" (Thomas Watson/IBM).

If someone takes an already successful company and it doesnt grow materially or even sells it off making a lot of money for the shareholders (C Michael Armstrong/Hughes Electronics), you would say he "just ran it", but he added huge value to the company by spinning it out of GM and then selling it to Raytheon. Is he any less valuable than Howard Hughes? To whom? Society? The shareholders?

Then the same C Michael Armstrong oversees the dismantling of ATT/Lucent and under his watch the value of the companies tanks...obviously he's not a builder.

As far as the second question goes, no I dont think special incentives are approrpiate. Growth is growth, and whether thats from 0 to a billion or a billion to 2 billion doesnt really matter.




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