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Oil and Terror ! - 9/4/2010 6:01:35 AM   
Aneirin


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It's simple isn't it really, we have to end or reduce our need for Middle Eastern oil if we want to get rid of the terrorism that creates fear and instability in our society, for it all it seems bears down to oil, that ancient death brings death to our modern world.

The horrors we perceive of Islamic countries laws, the way they treat their citizens, which countries are the worst offenders from a constitutional point of view, the very regimes that derive their wealth from oil exports, that is exports largely to the west, our need for oil is fuelling the injustice we see.

It's not the fault of the Middle East, it is our fault, our need for oil that turned a land mass consisting tribes and herders into what they are now, their system of hawala, an ancient system of goods transfer based upon nothing but the bond of trust allows activists to punish the west. Why punish one may ask, well life has changed for the people there, a change that perhaps came too quick and with, what oil enabled, was technology and with that the offence they receive via technology, the blasphemies they rail against. Sure, their oil was the commodity the West wanted to buy and as traders they sold as merchant do, be them camel merchants or oil merchants, a merchant is a merchant, they trade.

What do people do when they are unhappy or feel oppressed, some turn to religion and with that there becomes a fertile recruiting ground for the haters of the scapegoat, for the West and in particular America is that scapegoat for the evil that is oil, for the common evil to all of us is that thing we desire so much, the liquid black gold.

Obama right back at the beginning said he wanted to reduce the US need for imported oil and that by developing sustainable energy technologies, a very worthy statement and goal, for perhaps he also realised the problems America now faces are because of imported oil and what America pays the Middle Eastern oil producers actually funds the terrorist to attack America via the Hawala system in Saudi Arabia and the religious requirement for the people to pay the Zakat to charities, those charities whatever they may be whether the contributors are aware of or not.

http://www.iags.org/fuelingterror.html

http://www.renewableenergyfocus.com/view/3165/the-obama-administration-prospects-for-alternative-energy/


Perhaps one thing is certain, if it were not for oil, we in the West would not be facing the terrorist threat from the Middle East, for we created the problem with oil.

Whether people like him or not, President Obama is the first to recognise the problem for what it is and is trying to steer the country in a new direction instead of administration upon administration of America being like a dog chasing it's tail refusing to acknowledge the dependence on imported oil is the problem America has.


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RE: Oil and Terror ! - 9/4/2010 8:44:13 AM   
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It's Hitler's fault. Sounds flippant on the surface but it has merit, as does saying it's Ford's fault. They both sought the same goal, for the automobile to become a common device for people to have, everyone. Hitler with the conception of the Wolksvagon, which actually means 'people's car' and Ford with his ultra modernized assembly line. If not for them it would have not happened. Of course someone else would've come along and did it anyway but that's not the point.

Cars existed before those innovations, but they were for the opulent. The commoner had to find other means' of transportation up until then. If they hadn't come along something else may have been developed. Oil had been pumped before that, and gasoline (or petrol) did exist. They used to burn it off because it was too volatile to use in the home for lamps or cooking etc.

I don't know exactly who did it in Europe, but Ransom Eli Olds is credited with anventing the modern automobile. He develped a way to use what was essentially a waste product at the time for a useful purpose. You really can't fault him for that.

But things changed, and a very large part of that change was the increase in world population. None of these Men could forsee the mess that would eventually be created by their actions. Strangely though, I think one of the most ideal technologies would probably follow suit. That would be to find a way to use all this nuclear waste as fuel. We need a new breed of physicists to harness some form of waste energy. That's what they did and it lasted a while. However the world has oputgrown their archaic technology and it is time for something new.

And it's true that in anoth fifty years from now that technollogy will become ohsolete. It is obsolete now, the problem is that we have no viable alternative. Don't get me wrong, there are alternatives now but they are awkward and expensive. The world needs something cheap and easy. Perhaps some form of steam or Stirling cycle engine would be a good idea. If nothing else it could be a stopgap until we actually learn to use our own waste again.

Imagine driving up to get fuel in your car and instead of pumping petrol, a guy with lead gloves comes out and asks "How many pellets today Sir ? ". They could literally sell you garbage, which is exactly what happened with the advent of the modern [style] internal combustion engine.

Actually forward thinking is what is needed and it seems to be in short supply.

T

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RE: Oil and Terror ! - 9/4/2010 8:56:47 AM   
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I am afraid you over simplify.

It is grabbed because it has value.   This denies such value to someone else- and leaves the power to rule in the hands of the "owner" of it.   If it was allowed to be given to others- others would have too much power. 

Watch the garbage patch in the ocean.  The minute someone can monetize it- many corporations will claim to own it.  For now- tho- no one seems to own it.   Hmmm.

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RE: Oil and Terror ! - 9/4/2010 10:41:36 AM   
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quote:

instead of administration upon administration of America being like a dog chasing it's tail refusing to acknowledge the dependence on imported oil is the problem America has.



I wold look at this idea from the different angle. I think there is nothing wrong with importing oil. The problem is criminal greedy behavior of people involved (ruling elites, big business) leading to so called "gunboat diplomacy".  The fair diplomacy needs to be somehow reinstated. Also, democracy needs to be restored. We have seen use of oil related terror unseen before and people behind it getting away with mass murder. I mean blowing up apartment buildings in Russia 1999 (well documented state special services operation), 9/11 (obvious inside job, no fair investigation).

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RE: Oil and Terror ! - 9/4/2010 5:23:59 PM   
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The future, if the US wants peace, is to look inward and there think outside of the box at what may fuel the America of the future. I have said it before and I will say it again, we all produce waste, shit am talking about here, that waste can be used with organisation and thought, if not for vehicle use, but home use thus freeing up what oil there is from home sources to power vehicles.

I understand modern internal combustion engines require a progressive detonation, petroleum being the only fuel so far fit for the purpose, but engines can be redesigned, ignition adjusted etc.

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RE: Oil and Terror ! - 9/4/2010 6:34:00 PM   
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They already have water powered cars, but they are impractical. I mean it might be nice to just fill er up with water but how long do those fuel cells last and what do they cost ? What's more I'm not sure just what is in those fuel cells, it may be worse for the environment than what we have now.

As long as profit is of prime importance we are going nowhere.

T

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