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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 9:38:13 AM   
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.....................De dee de dee de dee.......BREAKING NEWS...........This just in...Arizona Governor the first politician in the history of the world to actually dodge a question, according to the HuffinPuff Post via some retarded leftist blog, Jan Brewer is Satan incarnate, and needs to be beheaded in the desert....and in other news, Chicken Little has reported the sky is falling.......

Obama outright fucking lies every time he holds a press conference, but all you care about is what Brewer, or Beck, or Palin says...It's really no wonder our country is as fucked up as it is.



We're not talking about Obama, Beck, or Palin.

We are talking about Brewer.

And every major newspaper and television channel in Arizona has covered this, as well as it having become a national news story.



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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 9:41:37 AM   
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There were skulls found without bodies, so she took artistic license. Compared to the lies of Biden and Ohblabla its nothing.


More bullshit, she blatantly made the claim that law enforcement officers had found beheaded bodies. Dont you ever check anything out ?

http://www.arizonaguardian.com/azg/index.php?catid=937:campaigns-a-elections-fp&id=2201:county-coroners-cant-back-brewer-beheadings-claim&option=com_content&view=article


Dont you?

"Pima County's Dr. Eric Peters said some people might be confused when just skulls are sometimes found in the desert, but that's because of decomposition and animals that feed off bodies. He said it'd be clear if any one of those skulls had been severed from a body."

Peters gave a radio interview yesterday and elaborated that a pair of skulls without bodies were found, but there were no signs of beheading. Im surprised you dont spend your time on short wave radio catching skips of our news broadcasts.



How does that in any way defend her or defend what you said?



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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 9:58:48 AM   
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I am from Canada. I am just wondering why some people want illegal immigration from Mexico to US to continue uninterrupted? I guess the reasons vary. What are the main reasons?


I don't think there is anyone who will tell you they want illegal immigration to continue, but people like Jan Brewer are just playing politics with the issue.

The only real solution I can see is to eliminate the reason the illegals want to come here by increasing and enforcing penalties on those who hire them.  If the jobs are not available they will not come.  In the past, however, it has been common practice to turn a blind eye to the companies and industries that depend on cheap illegal labor.



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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 10:23:07 AM   
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So in your world you get to make up my answers?????? Never mind. this level of discourse is really fucking dull.

when you make up what you want to pretend the other person says, you are mastrubating, not debating.


and you get a "Gold Star" for spelling!!!!! Special!!!!


No, I trimmed the post to show the part I was addressing, thereby cutting out the part I wasnt referring to. Thats what the mods have asked us to do. You also miss the whole spelling thing, you mentioned my lack of reading comprehension. If you are going to make such claims, your own grammar should at least be correct.


Actually I was refering to this part of your rant.

"Next you will tell me the Associated Press got it wrong, yet you claim it is I who twists facts......Incredible."

where you clearly tell me what I am going to say. But of course you do not have the class to stand by what you write.

That you do not grap the distinction between spelling(where the meaning is absolutly clear) and comprension (where the plain meaning is lost or distorted either out of Stupidity or intellectuall dishonesty) is rather obvious. All you do is change what people say, so you can act outraged. Its really pretty funny


Lmao, Im still waiting for you to show what you have claimed on another thread. me thinking what your reply is likely to be, isnt the same as changing what you said. here is your first post on here, aimed at my comments. For clarification see post 13.

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she didn't say in Arizona. Read the damn quote. She said in the Desert.

"Our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert ... that have been beheaded."

Are you unable to read or are you intentionally changing what she said to try to have a point to make.


Now to everyone else, except you and Willbur, the claim she made is clearly talking about Arizona law enforcment agencies. Either you are suggesting they found bodies in some other desert, or that I am unable to understand your post ( Or her statement )  

Here is a simple question. Do you think she was talking about a desert other than in Arizona, if so, which one ?




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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 10:24:35 AM   
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Ignorant leftists.....

this is just sad.

How can you pretend she ducked the question while quoting her direct answer????

seriously.

"I misspoke, but you know, let me be clear, I am concerned about the border region because it continues to be reported in Mexico that there's a lot of violence going on and we don't want that going into Arizona."


It's not like she said some stupid thing like I am going to visit all "57 states"


What's sad is you can't read quotes properly, because I never quoted her.

What's sad is you can't read and watch links properly, otherwise you would know that she refused to respond to direct questions about it during a press interview.

She only recanted the next day in a statement issued by her office in an effort at damage control after her claims were clearly proven to be false.  Your selectively edited quote was part of that statement.

Even then it was a half-assed admission.  After months of repeating the claim, even on national television shows, she tried to feign
ignorance of whether she said it or not, even though there is more than one broadcast of her saying just that.  An example from Fox News is in the link below.


Brewer Finally Backpedals: I Was Wrong About Headless Bodies


Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) is finally backpedaling on her bogus claim that headless bodies have been found in the Arizona desert, the alleged product of illegal immigration.

"That was an error, if I said that," Brewer told the Associated Press yesterday. "I misspoke, but you know, let me be clear, I am concerned about the border region because it continues to be reported in Mexico that there's a lot of violence going on and we don't want that going into Arizona."

As TPM reported earlier this summer, Brewer, who has risen to national prominence thanks to her tough stances on illegal immigration, claimed that "our law enforcement agencies have found bodies in the desert, either buried or just lying out there, that have been beheaded."

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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 11:12:44 AM   
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Puhleeze if the Pres had made her kind of crappy debate, lie and then fudge, there are people here who would be strokin out over it
look at the people who STILL bring up his stating "57 states" as if it was a treasonable offence
This woman more than ignored the question, her diction if fucking attrocious, she lied, blatantly and now wont do debates.
If your pres was to do the same thing you would be calling him to be strung up from the nearest yardarm,
Also the clip was on a news program of the debate not on a blog,
at least get that right, good gawd
Yeah you are right, its no wonder your country is as fucked up as it is.





Lucy, most of my fellow americans are pretty fucking stupid, you as a Brit/Canadian citizen probably can (I bet) name all 50 states and the majority of their capitals.  The average american can not even tell you how many provinces there are in Canada, let alone name them all.   Hell I am a prime example, I never remember if it is 13 or 14 or 15 provinces in Canada. 



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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 11:17:48 AM   
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Dont you?

"Pima County's Dr. Eric Peters said some people might be confused when just skulls are sometimes found in the desert, but that's because of decomposition and animals that feed off bodies. He said it'd be clear if any one of those skulls had been severed from a body."

Peters gave a radio interview yesterday and elaborated that a pair of skulls without bodies were found, but there were no signs of beheading. Im surprised you dont spend your time on short wave radio catching skips of our news broadcasts.



Talk about spin. You claimed she was using artistic license when talking about beheadings, when she clearly wasnt. Now you are claiming that no beheaded bodies were found. Either you are supporting one thing or the other, which is it ?


He`d have gotten further claiming....."she was just joking"......ha-ha-ha ya know?

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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 12:10:22 PM   
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Sarcasm detector....... Is that something you pretend to use when your claims have been proved bogus ?




No, but lying is what you do when Ive proven my point.

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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 12:12:57 PM   
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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 12:18:44 PM   
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< Message edited by Owner59 -- 9/5/2010 12:19:25 PM >

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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 12:23:04 PM   
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Lucy, most of my fellow americans are pretty fucking stupid, you as a Brit/Canadian citizen probably can (I bet) name all 50 states and the majority of their capitals.  The average american can not even tell you how many provinces there are in Canada, let alone name them all.   Hell I am a prime example, I never remember if it is 13 or 14 or 15 provinces in Canada. 



Educationally,
Some Knucklehead in NJ


Ten Provinces and three territories:)  but hey, Ive done a lot of research in the past fifteen years, mostly because my american friends skyrocketed thanks to the internet. I wouldnt have visited so many times if it werent for them. Ive only been to twelve states so far.
I have a few more I would like to visit



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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 4:25:09 PM   
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No, but lying is what you do when Ive proven my point.


Post the evidence I have lied, if you can find it on this thread or any other. Anyone can see what we have both said here and I am happy to be judged on that.

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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 4:27:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Puhleeze if the Pres had made her kind of crappy debate, lie and then fudge, there are people here who would be strokin out over it
look at the people who STILL bring up his stating "57 states" as if it was a treasonable offence
This woman more than ignored the question, her diction if fucking attrocious, she lied, blatantly and now wont do debates.
If your pres was to do the same thing you would be calling him to be strung up from the nearest yardarm,
Also the clip was on a news program of the debate not on a blog,
at least get that right, good gawd
Yeah you are right, its no wonder your country is as fucked up as it is.




Pogo, do they even teach "Geography" in schools anymore? They'd probably have to squeeze it in between the "self worth" class and "feelings" for your classmates" class.
We had to learn all 48 states (then) and their capitols in one afternoon in the fourth grade or you had to stay after until you did.

Lucy, most of my fellow americans are pretty fucking stupid, you as a Brit/Canadian citizen probably can (I bet) name all 50 states and the majority of their capitals.  The average american can not even tell you how many provinces there are in Canada, let alone name them all.   Hell I am a prime example, I never remember if it is 13 or 14 or 15 provinces in Canada. 



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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 4:51:17 PM   
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The only real solution I can see is to eliminate the reason the illegals want to come here by increasing and enforcing penalties on those who hire them.  If the jobs are not available they will not come.  In the past, however, it has been common practice to turn a blind eye to the companies and industries that depend on cheap illegal labor.


Actually, that would play in the hands of companies and industries, paradoxically. It's not really about the cheap labor per se, but about union-busting. If you have a ready supply of exploitable people. More enforcement would make these people MORE exploitable. That's true even if the enforcement is directed at the employers - after all, if an employer gets hit with a penalty, the first people getting hurt aren't the managers but those at the bottom getting laid off.

And in any case, enforcing laws as the primary mechanism only works when violations are very rare so that we can afford to expend overwhelming resources to resolve even a single case. Some murder trials cost as much as $7 million (OJ's was around $2 million, I believe). We can afford to do that for murder, a one-in-ten-million crime. We can't afford to do it when nearly everybody does it.

Enforcement didn't work with alcohol in the 1920s, it doesn't work with drugs today, and it doesn't work with immigration. It would just create even more of an underground economy.

The real way to fix this is to fix our insane immigration policy. Allow those same people to come legally, and employers lose the leverage. Politicians do know this very well, but we can't have that. It would actually solve the problem and thus cost them their jobs. In all fairness, a few politicians have realized the futility of enforcement, but it's a small minority.


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RE: AZ Governor Quashes Future Debates After Disastrous... - 9/5/2010 5:14:13 PM   
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More bullshit, she blatantly made the claim that law enforcement officers had found beheaded bodies. Dont you ever check anything out ?


Dont you?

"Pima County's Dr. Eric Peters said some people might be confused when just skulls are sometimes found in the desert, but that's because of decomposition and animals that feed off bodies. He said it'd be clear if any one of those skulls had been severed from a body."

Peters gave a radio interview yesterday and elaborated that a pair of skulls without bodies were found, but there were no signs of beheading. Im surprised you dont spend your time on short wave radio catching skips of our news broadcasts.


So law enforcement officer Dr. Eric Peters is saying that law enforcement knew that there are no beheadings. Isn't it her job to, you know, actually TALK to law enforcement before claiming that law enforcement found beheaded bodies? Obviously, she not just failed to confirm such a piece of information. Since it obviously didn't even come from law enforcement, she must have made it up to begin with (or, even worse, relied on some Internet urban legend chain email as her primary source of information).

And coming back to the original topic: the public speaking skills matter. For one, public speaking - and speaking to audiences of very intimidating people, including the President and world leaders - is a very large part of a politican's job.

For another, the problem was that she clearly was unprepared. In the frigging opening statement! Stumbling response to a question, where she has to improvise, that's one thing. Stumbling where she had a fully prepared statement AND was in full control, that's quite another. She should have memorized that statement. The first thing they teach in you in Debate 101 is to prepare, prepare, prepare, and then prepare again.

She obviously ignored that rule. That shows that she disrespects her constituents, that she is incapable of prioritizing what's important, or simply that she is lazy.

So, yes, it matters. Of course it's only one factor that goes into the decision whom to vote for, but it is quite important.


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