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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/7/2010 6:50:21 PM   
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Ya, this thread has been filled with some real jerky responses...so...yay to that. Personally, I thought the idea was sort of cute. Probably not something I'd do (I've got a sticker phobia), but could see a similar idea being done at some point in time for certain reasons.

Categories will be real specific to the relationship and what you two are growing in. However, in our case, right now...hrmm...healthy cooking. Maybe even divided into sub-catagories (no pun...teehee) like cost, time to prepare, calories, and nutrient balance.

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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/7/2010 8:17:03 PM   
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You may want to take a look at all that you have posted and then ponder the post by crazyml in reference to your spelling and grammar.

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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/7/2010 8:51:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gagmadandtoy
so to reiterate my question to those who wish to answer it what areas would you grade the other half of your relationship on?

Ooooooh.....okay. Your OP asked what subjects would you grade your submissives in, so I hadn't thought about me grading Daddy. I don't really "grade" consciously. I just notice whether He's behaving like a mature adult with a positive attitude, which He always has. I mean we're all going to have our bad days, too, but I mean overall.

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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/8/2010 7:27:13 AM   
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My relationship isn't based on humiliation or punishment however if my Master wanted to punish me often he would grade me on cooking, navigational skills and following the sports or news. 

Thankfully he tells me that some of my other qualities and skills make up for these (and many other) inadequacies of mine


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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/8/2010 10:06:32 AM   
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Califchick, I fail to see the reasoning behind your post and I can't see it's relivance at all, this post was never intended to be a view over my relationship!


Yes, it is quite apparent that you do not see it.  You brought up a topic, with a background.  You then narrowed it down to one question.  But people may find the topic and the background interesting, beyond the very narrow box that the question fits into.  You want only answers to the question, but as I said, you don't get to dictate that. 

Sometimes the discussion you don't want to hear, bring clarity for others.

I find it interesting that some people like to treat their subs like children.  I didn't say it was wrong for them, it would be wrong for me.  I find it interesting that some dominants act like relationship and communication experts, and act like their subs hover in the clue-free zone. 

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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/8/2010 10:57:53 AM   
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A few years back one of our offices had a chart like what you describe in the back room, with little stickers for whoever sold some product or other. I told my manager that if we saw something like that in our office that I would be the one tearing it down. Kindergarten is over.

This lady is your "better" half, yet you are trying to use the carrot and stick method? Okay. I was a teacher, in the 80's. The fashion then was a thing called "assertive discipline", by Lee Canter. The idea of that was catching the students BEING GOOD and using subtle ways to positively reinforce good behavior. There were subtle ways to acknowledge bad behavior without disrupting the class to point it out. I'm sure you can find the book somewhere.

If you are working on a specific behavior---being on time for appointments, say, or making lunch for work the night before, instead of rushing the next morning---party on with your stickers. If you are not looking at something SPECIFIC, and "attitude" is not a specific criterion, then you are just tossing out arbitrary rewards and punishments, and not reinforcing anything except YOUR position as judge.

Why not ask HER what she feels that she needs to work on? And let me tell you, as a dominant, you had BETTER have your shit in line before you go being Mr Criticism. I know I set a high standard for my own behaviour, and there is no way in hell I would jump on anyone for not being able to do something that I couldn't do myself.

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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/8/2010 11:25:43 AM   
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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/8/2010 1:44:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick

quote:

ORIGINAL: Gagmadandtoy

Califchick, I fail to see the reasoning behind your post and I can't see it's relivance at all, this post was never intended to be a view over my relationship!


Yes, it is quite apparent that you do not see it.  You brought up a topic, with a background.  You then narrowed it down to one question.  But people may find the topic and the background interesting, beyond the very narrow box that the question fits into.  You want only answers to the question, but as I said, you don't get to dictate that. 

Sometimes the discussion you don't want to hear, bring clarity for others.

I find it interesting that some people like to treat their subs like children.  I didn't say it was wrong for them, it would be wrong for me.  I find it interesting that some dominants act like relationship and communication experts, and act like their subs hover in the clue-free zone. 

Cali





He asks about a simple idea, which in its basest form is what traits would you possibly want to improve in a submissive? Perhaps her deportment? Maybe service related skills? And by using a chart she gets direct feedback as to how he sees what she is doing to either improve, remain the same or even slip backwards on. Over time this can be beneficial in many ways, it gives a chart such as anyone in Finance would use. It also shows goals and needs being met or not.

Now could you have conversations addressing any or all of these concerns? Sure you could. But maybe for his sub she wants something more visual, a reminder of just what it is he wants improved? Maybe she forgets things easily? Maybe she feels she needs reminders? I know many people have at times tied strings to their fingers, put sticky notes of the fridge, or set up calendars on their computer to remind them of things. For some a nice simple visual representation is reassuring. For others they might see it as someone saying they are not smart enough to remember what he was asking her to do.

Of course if he did start this because she seemed unable to remember from conversations what it was he wanted from her, then maybe she does need the help. Many people get distracted easily. Especially if they have a number of things to keep track of. Also for some being able to look at a record and see improvement is in and of itself a reward. Even if it shows you are failing somewhere, almost no one fails in all areas. But by having it written down and updated constantly, it could give decent feedback. The list is obviously long and could easily encompass all areas of someones life. So with this in mind here is some things you might include.

Any Service oriented tasks. Housecleaning in all its various forms, perhaps broken down into specific parts in case some are much better than others. Perhaps cooking, even grading specific meals which then gives her a written record of what you liked best to least. If you include why it was not a great meal, it might simply be something she can change easily and improve it. Her state of dress, or undress. How she sits, kneels, reclines or any of the possible positions. If she has issues where she has become or never aquired decent posture, this can easily be addressed with this system. It can even include sexual performance in all its splended varieties.

Cleanliness was mentioned in an earlier post and while you the Op may take offense at what you thought might be implied, it does not change the fact that for some this is an issue that would easily work for this.

Now with all this said, for some this is a waste of time. They would not desire it, they would feel compelled to add silly things to this and make it into something it is not. Thats usual for these boards. If it is not the way I do things then it is wrong. My answer is always what works for you is right, no matter what someone else thinks.

Each person is an individual, some would get something very good out of this. Maybe their upbringing was so lax they never developed any of the traits most of us have. Maybe this just works better for them. Who knows. I know that the only test for this is if it works for those doing it. If not, find a different way. However you go about improving someones life and how they interact with each other in better ways is a win/win.

I wish you well in your attempts to improve the life you and your girl live.

MV




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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/8/2010 1:57:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gagmadandtoy

Crazyml. I am at a loss as to your comment with regards to underware and the clenliness of said garments and I trust this is not directed as a slanderous comment towards my other half, but I would never dream to attempt to grade her on speling and crammed firstly because she is a school teacher and much better educated than I and secondly because as I am sure you have noticed I am terribly dyslexic and replying to these threads on my phone stops me from being able to spell check the etc befor posting



Well, let me help you out. I cannot possibly make any comments on the cleanliness of your other half's knickers since I've no idea how clean or otherwise they are. Nor do I have the slightest interest. I made a couple of suggestions which would add to the humiliation of the process - since you pointed out that part of her enjoyment lies in humiliation. They may not have been great suggestions, because it's really not my thing; the kind of sub I'm attracted to would scoff at the very idea of a chart.

Yes, I did notice your spelling and grammar, and my suggestion that you avoid it as a topic was made on that basis.



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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/8/2010 4:36:07 PM   
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I think you are making life hard for yourself. You are enforcing consistency upon yourself.
Consider this consistency can be equated to being boring.

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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/8/2010 6:23:02 PM   
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My issue with this that it doesn't allow for the fact that submissives are human and have emotions. Real life happens, it effects our moods, attitudes and attentiveness.

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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/8/2010 6:29:54 PM   
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I would grade Daddy on how poorly he was taking care of his health, eating right, exercising, cutting back on the sugar and junk, an let me tell ya, right now he's getting an f triple minus, if triple minus would even be a possible grade.
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ORIGINAL: Gagmadandtoy


so to reiterate my question to those who wish to answer it what areas would you grade the other half of your relationship on?


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RE: Behavioural chart - 9/8/2010 6:34:04 PM   
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Fast reply.

I had a sticker chart like that when I was trying to teach my oldest daughter how to do little chores. She got a reward after about 5 "good jobs". She was a toddler. The sticker chart did work: She's now in grad school and has a great work ethic.

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